Stomper labels on DVD's OK or Bad?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Paul D. Sullivan, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. Just wondering. I've had great luck with Stomper labels on Music
    CD's, but have not used them yet on DVD's. I had been told in
    the past that DVD video's are much more sensitive to stuff like
    labels and putting them on the disk might cause playback
    disruptions.

    Can anyone give me some input on using DVD labels like Stomper?

    Thanks
     
    Paul D. Sullivan, Jan 15, 2004
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  2. (Excuse my bad english, i speak french)

    I use Stomper too. On my Pioneer DVD player, my DVD+R with label work fine
    but on a Sony DVD Player, the label cause playback disruptions.
     
    Richard Robert, Jan 15, 2004
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    A Good Joe Guest

    There is a delicate balance necessary for proper DVD playback. A DVD spins
    at a much higher rate than that of a CD player/drive. Though most DVD
    players\drives will playback a disc with the paper label it is not really
    good for the player\drive proper. Sooner or later continuous playback of
    DVD's with added labels will harm the player\drive. The best thing is to use
    printable discs. A good disc printer can be purchased for under $200 USD.
    Granted it is not as nice as screen printed labeling, but it still looks
    better than most paper labels.
     
    A Good Joe, Jan 15, 2004
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  4. Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
     
    Paul D. Sullivan, Jan 15, 2004
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  5. Thanks. :)
     
    Paul D. Sullivan, Jan 15, 2004
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    Mattie Guest

    Just curious... on what do you base the above info?

    Mattie
     
    Mattie, Jan 16, 2004
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  7. I've had success using "core" labels. These are small labels that cover
    only the transparent hub of the DVD. With such a small diameter and
    mass, they are unlikely to cause balance problems.

    A search for "core labels" in Google brings up a lot of references.
     
    Gordon B. Alley, Jan 16, 2004
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    jdcarswell Guest

    To add my 2 cents, my experience with labels is that they pose an
    unacceptable level of risk due to lack of quality control - not so much in
    the application onto discs as in the manufacturing process. This is based on
    the fact that I've seen enough discs (CD and DVD) with labels that over time
    have bubbled due to substandard adhesives and paper and/or storage
    conditions.

    Changes in humidity and temperature both can permanently alter the
    properties of the adhesive and paper. Sometimes the adhesive turns into a
    viscous goo that can cause the label to creep off centre over time, or it
    can dry up and become powder-like, shedding dusty residue as the label
    begins to peel up. Just take a look at some of the labels that were applied
    to floppy disks 10 years ago.

    The bottom line is this: CDs and DVDs are intended for long term archival
    purposes. It just doesn't make any sense to risk the integrity of the data
    on the disc on an adhesive label that may or may not hold up over the years.
     
    jdcarswell, Jan 16, 2004
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    Krazy Kanuck Guest

    I've been using a "stomper" and have had no troubles with lables.....I also
    find the glue on them to be very good.....ever try to remove a lable?
    Len
     
    Krazy Kanuck, Jan 16, 2004
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    A Good Joe Guest

    Though I cannot remember the exact locations of the documents, these facts
    were found on DVD manufacturer websites.
     
    A Good Joe, Jan 17, 2004
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    Vance Green Guest

    A direct quote from my Plextor PX708A manual:
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    "NOTE: We do not recommend placing self-sticking CD-R
    labels on the disc. The weight of the label may unbalance
    the disc and cause write errors during recording or read errors
    during reading. Also, attempting to remove the label may
    permanently damage the disc."
     
    Vance Green, Jan 17, 2004
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  12. Fair enough. :)

    Thanks

     
    Paul D. Sullivan, Jan 18, 2004
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Also as they say it MAY cause an unbalanced disk, true... that is why you
    should never do it by hand or eye. Use a spindle label applicator that
    ensures its applied perfectly centered that way it will be balanced and you
    get no errors, also no reason to try and remove it also.

    The weight problem only comes into play if the weight is unbalanced, so
    people use lighter labels to lessen the risk. I also spray on a coating,
    like clear varnish to protect the label even further from bleeding and
    curling, this adds even more weight but not a problem cause when you spray
    it on, its pretty heavy all over, unless you spray only one half of the
    disk.

    Hey with disks at under a buck try a few and see how they play, don't let a
    basic blanketed liability warning prevent you from enjoying professional
    looking disks.

    It's like the warining labels on medicine, ever read one? Every possible
    side effect is listed, including what you were taking the drug to prevent in
    the first place.
    Does that mean you should never take any meds? No, just put there to legally
    cover their arses.
    :)

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jan 18, 2004
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    A Good Joe Guest

    The spindle thing does not ensure perfect centering. There is always a gap
    around the center spindle, and the label can shift to the left or right
    creating an unbalanced placement. DVD players do in fact spin faster and an
    unbalanced disc can ruin it over time. We're not talking about a couple of
    plays or so, but playing back discs with labels on a constant basis.
     
    A Good Joe, Jan 18, 2004
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  15. At DVDshrink's forums, we have been discussing freezing in the DVD's. One
    thing everyone says is do not have labels on the DVDs. Just don't use them.
     
    The Supreme Enchanter, Jan 20, 2004
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