Storm at sunset

Discussion in 'Photography' started by PeterN, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    I was caught up in the beauty of the oncoming T storm, the point ofa
    long exposure was to hope to get luck and get a lightning strike,
    together with the movement in the clouds. If I had the ND filter with
    me, I would have tried for a lot longer exposure.
     
    PeterN, Jul 27, 2013
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    dadiOH Guest

    Full tide cycle = low tide to high tide or low tide to high tide to low
    tide?

    Doesn't much matter, an exposure over either of those several hours would
    give you an ocean that looked like a mill pond. If the FOV included a
    beach, part of it should appear to be under perfectly transparent water (in
    effect, a double exposure).

    It would be pretty boring.

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    dadiOH, Jul 28, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I'd be interested in seeing the result anyway.
     
    J. Clarke, Jul 28, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Here is my best effort which includes a crop to remove the trimaran. It
    remains a wishy-washy image.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/DSC6238_5473-E1w.jpg >[/QUOTE]

    Why not just compress the tonal curve and adjust for the white balance
    to get a less jarring result:

    <http://sandman.net/files/longexposure.jpg>

    It's a photo against the sun so getting any good info out of those
    shadows with HDR will just make it look unnatural anyway.
     
    Sandman, Jul 28, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    Why not just compress the tonal curve and adjust for the white balance
    to get a less jarring result:

    <http://sandman.net/files/longexposure.jpg>

    It's a photo against the sun so getting any good info out of those
    shadows with HDR will just make it look unnatural anyway.[/QUOTE]

    As far as I'm concerned, trying to improve that image would be like
    finding Jimmy Hoffa's remains and trying CPR to revive him.

    (If you don't know who Jimmy Hoffa is, then substitute "Raoul
    Wallenberg" in that sentence.)
     
    Tony Cooper, Jul 28, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    I think that has been what I've been saying all along. ;-)
    Come on! Let's make an even more obscure reference. How about the other
    missing man, Judge Crater?
     
    Savageduck, Jul 28, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    Sandman is Swedish, isn't he? Raoul Wallenberg would not be obscure
    to a reasonably well-read Swede. Most Americans would understand the
    reference to Jimmy Hoffa, but fewer would know about Judge Crater.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jul 28, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....and the Brits had/have Lord Lucan.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 28, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    The point was, he disappeared without a trace and is yet to be found.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 29, 2013
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    otter Guest

    I missed out on all the fun with the .nef file, but here is my take just
    using the posted jpeg as a starting point:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkeshlear/9426725524/lightbox/

    I actually like this image quite a bit. The colors are great, and not
    that common. If it were mine, I might spend a little more time on it,
    but this took about 15 minutes.
     
    otter, Aug 3, 2013
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  11. PeterN

    PeterN Guest


    Thanks, Your version is a tad darker and more reddish orange than mine.
    Hopefully I will get some input from my severest critic tomorrow night.
    I now that most here don't like it, but I will be playing some more.

    i took a peek at some in your photostream. I like the balance and
    crispness in:

    <http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkeshlear/9224711099/in/set-72157634515446975/>

    In the other two, to my eye the fireworks, which are nice and sharp are
    the image. The rest of the skyline is underexposed.

    Do you have the exif data?
    I plan to shoot some fireworks Tuesday.
     
    PeterN, Aug 3, 2013
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    otter Guest

    That picture was almost accidental. There is a small community, called
    West Lake Hills that shot off some fireworks before the big show in
    Austin. I happened to be on a hill where I could see both displays, so
    I took a few pictures of the smaller fireworks, just to warm up. I
    think some of them came out pretty well. It was earlier in the evening,
    so it was still in the Blue Hour. The other pictures were taken about
    an hour later, when everything was a lot blacker. For whatever reason,
    I liked the black sky on those. Just a choice.

    I experimented with different ISO's, but ended up wishing I had shot
    everything at ISO 100. Much cleaner noise than even 400.

    These were all shot on a tripod using live view, bulb mode, and remote
    trigger with a 70-200mm. The blue shot was 8 sec at f/8, ISO 100,
    125mm. The next shot was 14 sec at f/8, ISO 100, 200mm. The last shot
    was 6.7 sec at f/5.6, ISO 100, 200mm.

    It's really a lot of trial and error to see what works, especially while
    the light is changing. Lots of chimping and looking at histograms. A
    good steady tripod is essential.
     
    otter, Aug 3, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : :
    : > I just had a notion. Would take a night with just the
    : > right amount of moon I think, and maybe an ND filter and
    : > stopped way down, but I wonder what the result would be
    : > of a shot that includes a full tide cycle in a single
    : > time exposure. Unfortunately I'm not close enough to a
    : > tidal body to be likely to have a chance of trying it out
    : > before I forget the idea.
    :
    : Full tide cycle = low tide to high tide or low tide to high tide to low
    : tide?
    :
    : Doesn't much matter, an exposure over either of those several hours would
    : give you an ocean that looked like a mill pond. If the FOV included a
    : beach, part of it should appear to be under perfectly transparent water (in
    : effect, a double exposure).

    I dunno. On the beaches near where I live, the water at high tide isn't very
    transparent. It's full of sand, seaweed, etc.

    : It would be pretty boring.

    I agree with that. If you want to make a tidal cycle look interesting, do it
    in time-lapse. In the daytime.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 3, 2013
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    otter Guest

    Oh, what I did to your picture: I used the Nik plug-ins in CS6
    - Used "define" plugin to reduce the grainy noise, just the default setting.
    - Used the clone tool to clean up some of the blurry areas around the
    boats, and the multiple masts on the trimaran. Also fixed some dust spots.
    - Used "Color Efex Pro 4" plugin
    * DLC to apply a mild vignette
    * Graduated Neutral Density to darken the sky even more
    * White Neutralizer to remove color cast from the boats and other
    white areas. I used control points to only affect those.
    * Pro Contrast, with dynamic contrast set to 20% -gives it a shiny look.
    - Used Viveza 2 to tone down some of the sky in the middle by about 10%.
    - Used Output Sharpener plugin at about 30% adaptive sharpening, and
    focus set to 30%. I used control points to protect the sky and water
    from sharpening.

    So overall, the picture is much darker than yours. I found that easier
    on the eyes, but it is my personal taste. I don't mind the blurry look
    of the boats. To me, it makes the shot more interesting, but it is
    again, a matter of personal taste. I'm sure many will hate it. Let the
    haters hate.
     
    otter, Aug 3, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    You still saw it ans shot it.


    .. The other pictures were taken about
    You, as the artist, are the only one who needs to like it.

    I know. I plan to try it with a 20mm.
     
    PeterN, Aug 3, 2013
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  16. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    Thanks for your thoughts. I will ply with some modifications of your
    suggestions, to see what happens. I wanted the blurry boats, I also
    wanted a bit of blur in the clouds, both to try to show the movement
    that exists in a storm. (Trust me, this was a real storm. I made it back
    to the car with less than a second to spare.)
     
    PeterN, Aug 3, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 8/2/2013 9:38 PM, otter wrote:
    : > On 7/26/2013 4:01 PM, PeterN wrote:
    : >> Went to do a sunset shoot, and got this.
    : >>
    : >> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/storm arriving at Port Washington.jpg>
    : >>
    : >>
    : >>
    : >>
    : >> Just made a levels adjustment and ran it through Topaz Adjust 5 & DXO
    : >> FilmPack with Velvia 50 adjustment.
    : >>
    : >
    : > I missed out on all the fun with the .nef file, but here is my take just
    : > using the posted jpeg as a starting point:
    : >
    : > http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkeshlear/9426725524/lightbox/
    : >
    : > I actually like this image quite a bit. The colors are great, and not
    : > that common. If it were mine, I might spend a little more time on it,
    : > but this took about 15 minutes.
    :
    :
    : Thanks, Your version is a tad darker and more reddish orange than mine.
    : Hopefully I will get some input from my severest critic tomorrow night.
    : I now that most here don't like it, but I will be playing some more.
    :
    : i took a peek at some in your photostream. I like the balance and
    : crispness in:
    :
    : <http://www.flickr.com/photos/billkeshlear/9224711099/in/set-72157634515446975/>
    :
    : In the other two, to my eye the fireworks, which are nice and sharp are
    : the image. The rest of the skyline is underexposed.
    :
    : Do you have the exif data?
    : I plan to shoot some fireworks Tuesday.

    The trick with fireworks, as Bill's pictures attest, is not to overexpose
    them. Had he exposed for the skyline, the fireworks would have appeared washed
    out.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 4, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    Thanks, I have never been able to get fireworks as nice.
     
    PeterN, Aug 5, 2013
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