Street Photography no-nos?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Rah Q5, Jul 29, 2012.

  1. Rah Q5

    Robert Coe Guest

    :
    : > You can of course call it whatever you want -- call it glamour if you
    : > like. However, most photographers and art critics would not classify
    : > that shot as "street photography". I do not think it is street
    : > photography. What this says about me is that my definition of street
    : > photography is closer to the normative social standard definition than
    : > is your definition.
    :
    : There seems to be a lack of people and urban environment in the photograph
    : which would disqualify it as "street". In the purely abstract sense I can
    : accept that a truck on road is "street" in the sense that a lavatory in a
    : gallery can be art but this particular work lacks the insight and narrative
    : theme to transcend the definition.

    If the truck driver were shown taking a leak by the side of the road, the
    photograph would be "street".

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 4, 2012
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  2. What most photographers, or art critics, or you either, might classify it
    as does not make it that. Those who actually know what Street is won't
    question that it is Street.
    That wouldn't change a thing though!

    Hardwidge of course is totally clueless as to what
    Street Photography is, because it does not require an
    urban setting, nor people, or even a street to be
    Street.

    Your idea of a "normative social standard definition" is
    a bit unclear (and may be no better than the ignorance
    of Hardwidge).

    Too many people can't separate the generic meanings of
    words from the terms of art they become. "Street
    Photography" can be the subject of the pictures, but it
    can also be the methodology of the photographer. You
    can see the subject of course, but you can't know what
    the photographer was doing from only the picture.

    In fact, the cited image fits both definitions very well!

    Here is the link again:

    http://apaflo.com/street/d8a_2303.s.jpg

    And here are authoritative quotes that define Street Photography:

    "un-posed, un-staged photography which
    captures, explores or questions contemporary society and the
    relationships between individuals and their surroundings."

    "Street photography does not need to include people although it
    usually does. ... the key elements of spontaneity, careful
    observation and an open mind ready to capture whatever appears
    in the viewfinder are essential."

    "Another key aspect of street photography is the sense that the
    captured scene is unplanned, with an absence of prior
    arrangement."

    "it is perhaps better categorized as a way of working than
    simply a genre in itself."

    All are from http://www.lfph.org/what-is-street-photography

    LFPH is the London Festival of Photography

    There is little point in discussing whether any given
    photograph is or is not Street Photography without
    realizing that Street is not defined by the generic
    definitions of "street" and "photography".

    A significant part of what makes the linked image Street
    is the "way of working" cited above. It was an
    instantaneous decision to shoot the shot with the
    realization of exactly how iconoclastic it would be, in
    multiple ways! The fantastic landscape that is the life
    itself of residents of virtually all coastal areas along
    Alaska's Bering Sea and Arctic Ocean coasts, which
    urbanites typically refer to as "desolate" or a
    "wasteland" is one aspect.

    But the same misunderstanding by urban photographers who
    think Street requires pavement and concrete sidewalks,
    and visible people for that matter, was also very
    clearly in my mind at the instant I decided to shoot
    that shot to capture something that would be seen by
    some as everything other than what it really is!

    It's a great shot to ruffle feathers and cause people to
    think. How Street can it get! (Think Walker Evans...)
     
    Floyd L. Davidson, Aug 5, 2012
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  3. Rah Q5

    PeterN Guest

    No! it would be a frozen arc! <G>
     
    PeterN, Aug 5, 2012
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  4. Rah Q5

    Robert Coe Guest

    : >On Mon, 30 Jul 2012 08:42:47 +0100, "Charles E. Hardwidge"
    : >: : >:
    : >: > You can of course call it whatever you want -- call it glamour if you
    : >: > like. However, most photographers and art critics would not classify
    : >: > that shot as "street photography". I do not think it is street
    : >: > photography. What this says about me is that my definition of street
    : >: > photography is closer to the normative social standard definition than
    : >: > is your definition.
    :
    : What most photographers, or art critics, or you either, might classify it
    : as does not make it that. Those who actually know what Street is won't
    : question that it is Street.
    :
    : >: There seems to be a lack of people and urban environment in the photograph
    : >: which would disqualify it as "street". In the purely abstract sense I can
    : >: accept that a truck on road is "street" in the sense that a lavatory in a
    : >: gallery can be art but this particular work lacks the insight and narrative
    : >: theme to transcend the definition.
    : >
    : >If the truck driver were shown taking a leak by the side of the road, the
    : >photograph would be "street".
    :
    : That wouldn't change a thing though!
    :
    : Hardwidge of course is totally clueless as to what
    : Street Photography is, because it does not require an
    : urban setting, nor people, or even a street to be
    : Street.
    :
    : Your idea of a "normative social standard definition" is
    : a bit unclear (and may be no better than the ignorance
    : of Hardwidge). [etc., etc.]

    How did that get to be my idea? Are you under the impression that Ryan
    McGinnis and I are the same person?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Aug 5, 2012
    #44
  5. Rah Q5

    Savageduck Guest

    I suspect that by resurrecting this thread, you have roused the "Polar
    Bear" (he doesn't like "The Sage of The North") and this circular
    argument will be fed, and continue ad nausium.

    So my suggestion is, GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN!!! and let this thread die
    with some dignity.
     
    Savageduck, Aug 5, 2012
    #45
  6. Rah Q5

    tony cooper Guest

    Probably because it doesn't include a stopped vehicle. A requirement
    not recognized by all who follow "street".
     
    tony cooper, Aug 5, 2012
    #46
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