student photographer... which photo to use?

Discussion in 'Photography' started by acprkit, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. acprkit

    Rob Morley Guest

    ggomezphoto
    says...
    Hehe - is that lame shit or what? I could do as well as that, but I
    wouldn't bother putting it on the web and I certainly wouldn't criticise
    other's work on the strength of that sort of mediocrity. I suspect UC
    has delusions of grandeur caused by some sort of psychiatric disorder,
    which in itself is no reason to condemn him - however his general
    unpleasantness definitely merits a stay in the padded cell that is the
    bozo bin.
     
    Rob Morley, Sep 26, 2007
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  2. acprkit

    Cats Guest

    So whose are not?
     
    Cats, Sep 26, 2007
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  3. acprkit

    UC Guest

    You grasp right away what I find objectionable in much photography.
    People try to 'force' the issue, to make everything some kind of
    'statement' instead of simply seeing what's there and recording it
    with some kind of sensitivity.
    Yeah. It's that inky blackness of the bricks that gets me too!
    Thank you for being candid. I don't make photographs for "other
    people", and these were produced primarily for the benefit of
    posterity.

    Did you see both pages?

    http://www.photographyboard.net/images/zoom/zoom-photo/viewsize/racing.JPG
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  4. acprkit

    UC Guest

    Can you be more specific? Which photo in particular?
    I do like to compose very tightly. Some may not approve.

    http://www.photographyboard.net/images/zoom/zoom-photo/viewsize/racing.JPG
    No, what I meant is that these were not INTENDED as "exhibition work";
    rather merely as records of my environment. Some are inherently more
    'photogenic' than others. The exhaust tubes on top of the factory, for
    instance,

    http://www.photographyboard.net/images/zoom/zoom-photo/viewsize/tubes.JPG

    have more visual interest than the chairs found outside an antique
    shop.

    http://www.photographyboard.net/images/zoom/zoom-photo/viewsize/chairs.JPG

    The print of the chairs shows some very nice tones. I wish I had cut
    off the corner of the window, though, now that I examine it.
    You're free to have your own opinion. As I said, I do not try to copy
    anyone else, especially Ansel Adams, or please anyone else. Of course,
    at this stage of my life I am not worried about what other people
    think, not that I think I cannot learn anything new.
    These were made with film.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  5. acprkit

    UC Guest

    It is personal work, which I made available simply because people ask
    what I have been doing. I don't give a shit what you think.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  6. acprkit

    Cats Guest

    <snip>

    Now that is a strange point of view given there are people in their
    70s, 80s and 90s (and probably beyond) learning new stuff every day,
    in all sorts of ways from practical to artistic to academic. Maybe
    learning is harder than for younger folks, but they do it and
    sometimes it *has* to be done, as a partner has died and their skills
    have to be replicated in some degree.
     
    Cats, Sep 26, 2007
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  7. acprkit

    ggomezphoto Guest

    What you are doing, and what I think of it, really doesn't matter.

    You present yourself as the expert; you've won your contests, you've
    judged pictures, you make these grandiose statements about photography
    and photographers. You hammer people. If you had simply shown some
    generosity or compassion, or just ignored stuff you didn't like posted
    here, then I wouldn't have commented (you bring this on yourself; note
    that Princess X in a post today is now baiting you; and others think
    there might be a psychiatric disorder).

    I posted a link to my blog. If people look at it fine. If not, fine.
    I did not make statements about the quality of my work, or present my
    curriculum vita. To me that doesn't matter. The pictures I make just
    help me remember; remember the people in my life and the places I've
    been. I make no claims that they are great pictures, or good
    pictures, or are of any value whatsoever. The only claim I make is
    that I made them, and that I love the people in them.

    Cheers!

    Gerry
     
    ggomezphoto, Sep 26, 2007
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  8. acprkit

    UC Guest

    Correct. It's not made for an audience as such. My recent work is
    primarily for historical record, though done with more 'flair' than
    most people would.
    I haven't entered contests since high school.
    Yes, though not recently.
    How thoughtful of you.
    That's fine. This group is primarily for discussion of photography.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  9. acprkit

    UC Guest

    Do you understand "not that I think I cannot learn anything new"?
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  10. acprkit

    UC Guest

    No, I didn't say 'everyone' but I do think 99.9% of Adams' work is
    crap. He made 2 or 3 good ones.
    So can I. It's not hard when you don't overdevelop or underexpose your
    film.
    My prints are just fine, just the way I like them.
    I don't understand. The shadows were long at the time I took them,
    which I chose to do deliberately. I WANTED the shadows to run off the
    edge.
    It's what I wanted.
    Most people waste a lot of space. I don't.
    They are not intended as 'exhibition work'. They're for my personal
    satisfaction and historical records. Also, in some cases I'm trying to
    emphasize something that you may not appreciate. I don't always do the
    obvious.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  11. acprkit

    ggomezphoto Guest

    Your work speaks for itself.

    When I was younger, I could beat a dead horse longer than anyone. I
    am glad to see I have a successor.

    Gerry
     
    ggomezphoto, Sep 26, 2007
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  12. acprkit

    ggomezphoto Guest

    Your work speaks for itself.

    When I was younger I could beat a dead horse longer than anyone. I am
    glad to see I have a successor.

    Gerry
     
    ggomezphoto, Sep 26, 2007
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  13. acprkit

    UC Guest

    A lot of people don't have the ability to control their photography.
    Every aspect of my work is as I want it. You may not like it, but that
    is a different issue. I know how to work with different kinds of light
    and subject matter. I don't take the sort of photographs most people
    do. They bore me. Mine may bore you. But they're technically of high
    quality (sharp, exposed the way I want, composed the way I want). If
    you don't like the subject matter or treatment, fine. I have no
    quarrel with you. But don't mistake my work for amateurish beginner's
    work. None of it is the trite bullshit that comprises most people's
    work.

    The situations one encounters in the real world do not always allow
    for perfection. Trees or buildings may cast shadows where you don't
    want them, or your subjects may run away. In that case, you simply
    have to make the best of it. The kids on the bikes and skateboards had
    to be coaxed in some cases to ride their bikes in the paths that I
    wanted. I had them run up and down the bowl several times until I got
    something useful. If you don't like them, tough shit. Go there and do
    better.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  14. acprkit

    ggomezphoto Guest


    "....doth protest too much, methinks."
     
    ggomezphoto, Sep 26, 2007
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  15. acprkit

    UC Guest

    I simply want to differentiate between the work of a beginner who has
    no idea what makes a photo good from an advanced photographer. The
    subject matter is unimportant. If the OP thinks that photo is going
    to be good because it is of a bird's nest, he's mistaken. The good
    photo is one that has visual interest independent of the value or
    importance of the subject matter.
     
    UC, Sep 26, 2007
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  16. acprkit

    ggomezphoto Guest

    Well, then, rather than being so arrogant and dismissive you could
    have stated "the good photo is one that has visual interest
    independent of the value or importance of the subject matter." A
    statement like that instead of your harangue and abuse could go a long
    way towards people really hearing what you say, and possibly learning
    from it.

    Gerry
     
    ggomezphoto, Sep 26, 2007
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  17. acprkit

    UC Guest

    Right. The photo of the brick-paved street with the round manhole
    cover has visual appeal, yet nothing could more quotidian. Yet it
    works as a photograph. I consider it to be a (modest) success. I was
    not over-reaching here. There is no attempt to make this more than it
    is.

    http://www.photographyboard.net/component/option,com_zoom/Itemid,0/page,view/catid,1/key,145/hit,1/

    The same is true of the bridge supports:

    http://www.photographyboard.net/com...mid,99999999/page,view/catid,1/key,142/hit,1/

    I find the reflections from the metal (where the paint has peeled) to
    be interesting in themselves. The most brilliant area is a scratch,
    which you can see in the largest plate. This was taken with a 560mm
    lens near sundown. Only then is the area illuminated. These beams see
    direct sunlight only a few minutes a day.
     
    UC, Sep 27, 2007
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  18. acprkit

    Cats Guest

    Doh! Sorry.
     
    Cats, Sep 27, 2007
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  19. acprkit

    UC Guest

    Take a look at this, entitled "Greek widow".

    http://www.toddyarrington.com/fineartwebgallery/images/01_GreekWidow.jpg

    Do you see the weaknesses in this?

    To me, this guy is a coward. He's afraid to get close enough for her
    to react to him. He does not seem to be comfortable making eye
    contact. Besides that, the woman blends in with the tree. There is
    nothing that indicates she is a 'widow' except perhaps her black
    clothing, but perhaps black clothing is not worn only by widows. The
    photograph is a failure in my judgement.
     
    UC, Sep 27, 2007
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  20. acprkit

    Cats Guest

    I fail to see how this is connected to my message you replied to.

    As to the 'Greek Widow' - is it appropriate in her culture for a
    photographer to try to 'get close' to her? Is it acceptable to *her*
    for him to do so (is the comfort limit hers not his), or for her to
    react/interact? Is she recently widowed and grieving?

    Is it a weak photo? Maybe, maybe not. Much of that's in the eye of
    the viewer, plus there's no way I can personally form an opinion from
    such a small image viewed on a poor (laptop) screen unless it's
    clearly dire, which IMHO this one isn't.

    However, looking at some of his other images the guy clearly believes
    less can be more and that has appeal for me. He also has some lovely
    portraits of children, though they have the advantage of being a bit
    like puppies or kittens - unbearably cute when they are behaving or
    asleep.
     
    Cats, Sep 27, 2007
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