Stupidest, most overpriced, most poorly executed camera in the lasttwo years

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, May 14, 2013.

  1. RichA

    Guest Guest

    completely wrong.

    the autofocus system is still active, regardless of which lens. using a
    manual focus lens just means the user has to manually turn the focus
    ring.

    focus confirmation means that when the subject is in focus, an led will
    light and/or the camera will beep, indicating that the user should stop
    turning the focus ring.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  2. RichA

    J. Clarke Guest

    It is currently aimed at a diamond ring. Do you want the focus on the
    front facet of the diamond, the widest point of the stone, the points of
    the setting, or what?

    The benefit of the LCD from my viewpoint is that you can zoom in on the
    point that you want to be in focus and adjust until it's sharp. It
    serves the same function as an eyepiece magnifier but you can move the
    point you are looking at around instead of just being able to look at
    the center of the finder.
    I gave up on "focus confirmation"--too many blurry shots that "focus
    confirmation" told me were supposed to be sharp. Might work OK for
    snapshots but not for anything critical.
     
    J. Clarke, May 17, 2013
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  3. RichA

    J. Clarke Guest

    I can see why there would be no autofocus, but why would there be no
    focus confirmation?
     
    J. Clarke, May 17, 2013
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  4. RichA

    Guest Guest

    I thought it was what the camera was currently aimed at.[/QUOTE]

    it's whatever is at the selected focus point(s).
    that's why autofocus works better. the camera is faster than a human
    and can track moving subjects, even while you fire off multiple shots.
    depends on the subject, but if the shot is over with that, it certainly
    will be over using any other method of manual focus.
    it still does. autofocus doesn't mean continuous focus, unless you want
    that functionality.
    only because there was no other option. now there is.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  5. RichA

    Whisky-dave Guest

     
    Whisky-dave, May 17, 2013
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  6. RichA

    Whisky-dave Guest

    Which isn't always where you want the focus point to be, hopefully it's in the middle, which is where most shots need to be sharp.

    it isn;t it's making adjustments faster but if you're follwong a car or sportsperson its handy not to have it re-aadjust.
    One of my fists spoerts was taking photos of power boat racing, I used a 135mm (35mm camera) hand held and adjusted the focus, and as the boat came into focus clicked. If I'd had the focus constantly changing it's put me off.

    But as you say digital is better because now I can set up a 4k camera on video
    and pissed off to the pub in stead of standing there taking photos, come back an hour later with a HD movie that I can take frame from as still.
    The olny thing that'd be blurry would be me :)

    Didntl; for me, some relied on luck btu pre focussing sorted most of that out, and with manaully turning a ring you soon get a feel for such things, or rather I did.

    True but you need to decide which is best on a shot basis and re-set the camera accordingly. manually you do what feels correct at the time.

    There was always fixed focus lenses where 'everything' was in 'focus'
    Then again we oonly used top have optical viewfinders it seems peole still want such things though I wonder why .
     
    Whisky-dave, May 17, 2013
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  7. RichA

    J. Clarke Guest

     
    J. Clarke, May 17, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

     
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    PeterN Guest

    Some cameras have focus confirmation with old lenses. noapam assumes all
    cameras do. Yours obviously doesn't, but you knew that going in. Enjoy it.
     
    PeterN, May 17, 2013
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  10. RichA

    PeterN Guest

     
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  11. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    it's whatever is at the selected focus point(s).
    that's why autofocus works better. the camera is faster than a human
    and can track moving subjects, even while you fire off multiple shots.
    [/QUOTE]

    Depends on the lens. e.g. the original Nikon 80-400. If you don't
    believe me, who owned one, read the reviews. Some lenses focus faster
    than others.
     
    PeterN, May 17, 2013
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  12. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

     
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  13. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    Although the settings on my camera are slightly different, I know the
    physical settings. My lack of understanding is when and how to use them.
    Something that can only come with practice. For example: Yesterday I
    spent several hours learning how to use multiple exposure to obtain the
    effects I was looking for. While I have not perfected the technique, I
    am starting to understand the principles. Many of the features take time
    and understanding.
     
    PeterN, May 17, 2013
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  14. You didn't actually read , did you?

    The lens is OLD and only has manual focusing. No focus confirmation in the
    camera because of that.[/QUOTE]

    Neil-

    Back in the days of the split-image focusing aid, it did not work for
    lenses with a small aperture. Somewhere around f/8, one half of the
    split image would be black.

    I understand modern autofocus systems, including focus confirmation, are
    also limited by the lens' maximum f/stop. What is the f/stop of your
    500mm mirror lens?

    Fred
     
    Fred McKenzie, May 17, 2013
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  15. RichA

    Guest Guest

    i didn't say all cameras did, and that's not what he said anyway.

    old lenses is not what defines whether or not there's focus
    confirmation.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  16. RichA

    Guest Guest

    although the 80-400 is not that fast, the camera is still going to be
    able to track a moving subject faster than you can. it only needs to
    make very minor adjustments to the focus, not rack the entire focus
    movement.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  17. RichA

    Guest Guest

    Which isn't always where you want the focus point to be, hopefully it's in
    the middle, which is where most shots need to be sharp.[/QUOTE]

    which is why there are multiple focus points, or you position the
    camera so that one (or more) is on the subject, although that may not
    always work (and wouldn't with manual focus either).
    lock it or set it to not auto-track. it's up to the user.
    you did that only because there was no other option.
    i didn't say that at all.
    with manual focus, you don't have the choice. it's made for you.
    you can still set a lens to its hyperfocal distance.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  18. RichA

    Guest Guest

    On most DSLRs, including the D300s both of us use, have a little button
    labeled "AF lock".[/QUOTE]

    or just half-press, but that's not the issue.

    aiming the camera, focusing and then recomposing can cause focus errors
    in some situations.

    <http://www.visual-vacations.com/Photography/focus-recompose_sucks.htm>

    <http://digital-photography-school.com/the-problem-with-the-focus-recomp
    ose-method>
    none of that will work with a manual focus lens, which was the original
    issue.
     
    Guest, May 17, 2013
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  19. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    or just half-press, but that's not the issue.[/QUOTE]

    In the case as stated by PeterN it is the issue, as he states above.
    I have never been an advocate of the focus-lock-recompose method, and
    it was not mentioned until yuou introduced it.
    Not exactly. The original issue was RichA telling us he considered the
    Sony DSC RX1 an overpriced failure.(Note the subject title.) In the
    dialog between Rich and me we got to his opinion of the Canon M, to
    which I responded that it was interesting, but I have a preference for
    cameras with a viewfinder, optical or EVF. The thread went downhill
    from there.

    ....and where is it that either PeterN or Whiskey-dave said they were
    referring to a manual focus lens in this sub-thread of a thread which
    had nothing to do with lenses in the first place?
    Peter spoke of it being hard to focus "if you keep moving the camera
    around" AF lock does not apply to manual focus lenses.
    Then W-Dave refers to his distress when the subject "moves quickly".

    While there are techniques for dealing with in-frame composition and
    moving subjects when using manual focus lenses, there is no indication
    that either of them was talking about that. Further, while being
    limited to manual focus with my rangefinder cameras, and my two 60's
    vintage very non-AF Pentaxes (a Spotmatic & K1000), I had little option
    but to hone those manual focus skills. I certainly would have had to
    have a high degree of luck to get the same results with those, as I
    have with the great AF features I have with my D300S.
     
    Savageduck, May 17, 2013
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  20. RichA

    PeterN Guest

    You said: "why not use the camera's focus confirmation?" Implicit in
    that statement is that his camera has focus confirmation. Maybe it does,
    maybe it doesn't. Maybe he, for some reason is unable to effectively
    able to use it,even if it has the feature.

    True.
     
    PeterN, May 17, 2013
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