Stupidest, most overpriced, most poorly executed camera in the lasttwo years

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by RichA, May 14, 2013.

  1. RichA

    Guest Guest

    i specifically said mechanical linkage so that there would be no
    ambiguity about what was meant by non-afs lenses. i spelled it out
    because afs is a nikon specific term, and non-nikon users might not
    know what it meant.

    afs lenses have a motor in the lens, non-afs lenses do not, and have a
    mechanical linkage coupling to the motor in the camera body.

    i did not say non-af lenses, and the discussion was also about tracking
    autofocus, which means it *had* to be some sort of autofocus lens, not
    manual focus.

    you are indeed confused and you refuse to admit you are wrong.
     
    Guest, May 23, 2013
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  2. RichA

    RichA Guest

    Which cameras have them?
     
    RichA, May 23, 2013
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    RichA Guest

    Well, LCD images are stabilized now, but I don't use one enough to
    render any kind of verdict as to how good that is.
     
    RichA, May 23, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Depends on the version. The professional Steadicam is quite large and
    heavy (in one of the Alien movies you see one being used as a weapon
    mount) but the "Junior" model and the homebrews weigh under 10 pounds
    and aren't really "worn".
    They don't use eye-level finders if that's what you mean but the flip
    out display on a consumer camcorder works fine--so does the display on
    the back of most digital still cameras. The point is that there are
    ways to stabilize a camera that don't involve pressing it against your
    body.
     
    J. Clarke, May 23, 2013
  5. RichA

    Eric Stevens Guest

    On Wed, 22 May 2013 15:18:53 +0200, Wolfgang Weisselberg

    --- snip ----
    Savageduck has a D300s and uses it in a fashion where he almost
    certainly will know what it does, even if he doesn't quite know how it
    does it.
     
    Eric Stevens, May 23, 2013
  6. RichA

    Savageduck Guest

    Source code? Hell no, I don't have the source code!
    ....but I know how to read a manual and put what I have read into
    practice. I use the Nikon AF features on my D300S as the situation
    dictates. I find AF "C" mode together with 3D-tracking when shooting
    action shots at sporting events, air shows, and motor sport events to
    make life easier for me. Much easier than panning to pre-planned target
    points. especially when some targets are moving at high speed like
    these.
    < http://db.tt/FgkufATK >
    < http://db.tt/MWp7j3tc >
    By the same token I have a pretty good general ideal how much of the
    technology I use in my life works, but many of those things are no
    longer as simple as they once were. When I owned a VW Beetle in 1969, I
    could pretty much repair most mechanical problems. Today with my
    Mercedes E350 I wouldn't dream of thinking of diagnosing a problem.
    (not that I have had any)
     
    Savageduck, May 24, 2013
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    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 24, 2013
  8. .... what it does, usually, at least.
    Not even the original programmers will know how it behaves in
    every situation. There *are* bugs, and not all of them are
    known.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 24, 2013
  9. RichA

    Mort Guest


    Hi,

    How about the new Hasselblad, which is a Sony camera with a few goodies
    glued on and the name Hasselbad attached, at an incredibly high price.
    As I have said in other contexts, you can put a sign on a cow's forehead
    saying, "I am a racehorse", but it is actually still a cow.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, May 28, 2013
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    Sandman Guest


    Hi,

    How about the new Hasselblad, which is a Sony camera with a few goodies
    glued on and the name Hasselbad attached, at an incredibly high price.
    As I have said in other contexts, you can put a sign on a cow's forehead
    saying, "I am a racehorse", but it is actually still a cow.[/QUOTE]

    Haven't kept up with Hasselblad, which one is the new one?
     
    Sandman, May 28, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Haven't kept up with Hasselblad, which one is the new one?[/QUOTE]

    This Sony monstrosity. It certainly isn't an H4D-60.
    < http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com/ >
     
    Savageduck, May 28, 2013
  12. RichA

    Sandman Guest

    This Sony monstrosity. It certainly isn't an H4D-60.
    < http://www.hasselblad-lunar.com/ >[/QUOTE]

    So it's a NEX-7 with an Hasselblad logo? Too bad. :/
     
    Sandman, May 28, 2013
  13. RichA

    Mort Guest

    So it's a NEX-7 with an Hasselblad logo? Too bad. :/
    [/QUOTE]
    Did you look at the price tag? That is really too bad. The fall of the
    mighty.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, May 30, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    I dunno. Leica does something similar with Panasonics--not to that
    extreme though--and Leica has hardly "fallen".
     
    J. Clarke, May 30, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Neither Leica or Hasselblad have issues with their premier lines, just
    as some or the exotic and luxury car manufacturers will always have a
    waiting list for their cars. So, hardly a fall.

    While both Leica and Hasselblad build some fine cameras with their
    prime models, when it comes to rebadged they can be hard to swallow.
    The Leica/Panasonics are at least not priced at an impossible premium
    for the badge. That Hasselblad Lunar is an overpriced piece of
    pretentious bling and it deserves to die in the trenches.
     
    Savageduck, May 30, 2013
  16. RichA

    Sandman Guest

    Did you look at the price tag? That is really too bad. The fall of the
    mighty.[/QUOTE]

    Indeed, but this kind of rebranding is not uncommon. It's like the Aston
    Martin Cygnet, the small hatchback they released back in 2011 just to
    conform to some EU emission regulations. The Cygnet was a Toyota IQ with
    a new grille and that's pretty much it. It cost three times as much as
    the Toyota, in spite of being identical.

    The price difference between the Hasselblad and the NEX-7 is even
    larger, but Hasselblad insist they have the same margins on the Lunar as
    on their other cameras and that they're just using better quality
    material. I don't know what that's supposed to mean. Given the name - is
    it space safe? Will NASA use it on the moon? :)
     
    Sandman, May 30, 2013
  17. RichA

    Sandman Guest

    What about Hasselblad's claim about the margins on the Lunar not being
    higher than their other models (or even other brands, interestingly)?

    They stress that it's not a rebranding, that yes, the Lunar contains
    components from Sony but it's supposedly

    http://tinyurl.com/cz9njlv
    "...we're not robbing people by making a huge profit on the camera.
    Our profit margin is the same as everyone else's; we're just using
    more expensive materials."

    Still, ¤5,000 is amazingly expensive. It's what I paid for my D3s when
    it was released.
     
    Sandman, May 30, 2013
  18. RichA

    J. Clarke Guest

    The question is whether they are using more expensive materials where it
    affects function or durability, or are they just putting a gold shell
    around it?
     
    J. Clarke, May 30, 2013
  19. RichA

    Sandman Guest

    The question is whether they are using more expensive materials where it
    affects function or durability, or are they just putting a gold shell
    around it?[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I had that thought too.

    In the end, the target group for this is surely Hasselblad owners that
    doesn't want a Panasonic in their go-bag, but want to flaunt their
    camera brand even when on vacation :)
     
    Sandman, May 31, 2013
  20. [Hasselblad rebranded camera]
    If that matters to you, you're currently wearing out cameras
    the way other people wear out thin socks and cannot buy/carry
    a spare planning for your camera's planned demise (or buying
    spares costs more than buying the rebranded Hassi).
    For all I know they're not even gold-plating their name ...

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, May 31, 2013
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