Suggestions?

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by John Truty, Jun 16, 2005.

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    John Truty Guest

    Hi, I¹m planning on purchasing a D70 soon with the kit lens. I am
    interested in mostly landscapes. I especially want to experiment with
    nightscapes, and also some macro work. Question: what is the ³group²
    opinion on the Nikon 55mm 1.2, 1.4 and 1.8 lens. For nightscape work I would
    prefer fast lens and low ISO. Do I need to get an AF, or can I by some older
    used lens that are manual (I don¹t mind manual focus but I do want the body
    metering system to operate and control the expose ­ or at least give me a
    reliable recommendation).

    For the macro end I was thinking of the 60mm macro, don¹t know if the price
    benefit ration is sufficient for the 100 or the 85... Comments?


    John
    Beauty in things exists in the mind which contemplates them.
    David Hume
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    John Truty, Jun 16, 2005
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    Rudy Benner Guest

    Suggestions?
    Hi, I'm planning on purchasing a D70 soon with the kit lens. I am
    interested in mostly landscapes. I especially want to experiment with
    nightscapes, and also some macro work. Question: what is the "group"
    opinion on the Nikon 55mm 1.2, 1.4 and 1.8 lens. For nightscape work I would
    prefer fast lens and low ISO. Do I need to get an AF, or can I by some older
    used lens that are manual (I don't mind manual focus but I do want the body
    metering system to operate and control the expose - or at least give me a
    reliable recommendation).

    For the macro end I was thinking of the 60mm macro, don't know if the price
    benefit ration is sufficient for the 100 or the 85... Comments?


    John
    Beauty in things exists in the mind which contemplates them.
    David Hume


    I presume you already have a good tripod?
     
    Rudy Benner, Jun 16, 2005
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    Paul Furman Guest


    I decided to get a 45mm f/2.8 manual focus (auto meter) instead of one
    of the 50mm because it is a little better image quality and has a softer
    out of focus rendition. Also a bit wider which is better suited to the
    cropped sensor on a D70. You might even look at a 35mm f/2 for even
    wider (equivalent to 50mm on a full sensor). 50mm is equivalent to a
    75mm portrait lens and not very useful for landscapes.

    For night scenes you really don't need super fast 1.8 stuff because you
    use a tripod. The fast glass is for hand held shots indoors without a
    flash or wildlife at sunset with a telephoto where you need to freeze
    motion or for where you want an extra shallow depth of field to isolate
    subjects on a soft background.



    The longer lenses let you shoot insects without getting so close that
    you scare them.
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 16, 2005
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    Frank ess Guest

    But you have to evaluate that benefit in relation to having to
    maintain your distance in, for instance, document photography.
    90mm macro Tamron from about four feet:
    http://www.fototime.com/479DA5E67B41832/orig.jpg

    Same subject from half the distance, 10mm Canon:
    http://www.fototime.com/2C5FC7C25A7D6B1/orig.jpg

    You get to stand back pretty far from that page to put the whole thing
    in the frame.
     
    Frank ess, Jun 16, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    The 50mm ones are better. These, though, are a bit long for "landscape"
    type shots. Your kit lens will actually do nicely for those.
    Would you not be on a tripod, and thus able to stop down anyway?
    Manual lenses will not meter on the D70.
     
    Jeremy Nixon, Jun 16, 2005
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    John Truty Guest

    Thanks for educating the novice - so are only AF type lens making use of the
    body's metering system?. The AI or AI-s lens wouldn't "work"??

    For the night shots I would want the option of fast shutter speed to stop
    the blur one get in nightshots, (i.e cars...) and yes I would have a tripod
     
    John Truty, Jun 17, 2005
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Let's make that "lenses without a CPU will not meter on the
    D70". I have one lens which is purely manual focus (180mm f2.8), but
    has been converted to add a CPU, and it meters without problems on the
    D70.

    I believe that there may be some Nikon lenses with CPU but
    without autofocus straight from the factory, though I am not sure of
    this.

    But, with any AI-only lenses (no CPU, but tabs on the aperture
    ring to talk to the camera) the D70 will force you into one of three
    modes of metering:

    1) Hand-held exposure meter.

    2) Guess, and look at the image in the display. Adjust exposure
    according to what you see, and shoot again.

    3) Similar to (2) above, but use the histogram in the display to
    fine-tune your exposure. (You may have to start with method (2)
    to get close enough for method (3) to be much help, depending on
    how close your guesses are.)

    So -- you can check with the web page of the fellow who does the
    conversions to see whether any lens which you may already have is on the
    "blessed" list for conversion or not. If it is, prepare to do without
    the lens for an unpredicatable time. I got fairly good turn-around
    (well under a month), but based on some of his feedback, some have had
    to wait a long time. And he has dropped lenses from the list which used
    to be there. This may mean that the stock of appropriate CPUs has been
    exhausted. My 180mm tells the camera that it is a 300mm, FWIW, which
    is not too far from its effective focal length on the D70 (270mm. :)

    Note that you can get used AF lenses with CPUs in good camera
    stores. My 50mm f1.4 was of that type and origin, and I am quite
    pleased with it.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Jun 17, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    The other reply was more correct in that "non-CPU lenses" won't meter, but
    manual lenses with a CPU will. Most manual lenses that you'll see will
    not have a CPU, and any AI or AI-S lenses that have not been modified will
    not have one. AI-P lenses are manual CPU lenses, and some AI and AI-S
    lenses can be, or have been, modified by adding a matrix chip (these will
    be aftermarket modifications).

    Non-CPU lenses will render the D70's light meter inoperable. The Nikon
    pro-level bodies (like the D2x) will meter with these lenses, but the
    mechanical link in the lens mount that makes metering possible with
    manual lenses was left out of the D70 for cost reasons.
     
    Jeremy Nixon, Jun 17, 2005
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