summary of Kodak downfall

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Dale, Feb 11, 2014.

  1. Dale

    philo  Guest

    OK. I understand now...

    that said ...Advantix film and cameras were a flop.

    Affordable digital cameras were just starting to become available.

    At the time, affordable film cameras were of course better.
    philo , Feb 12, 2014
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    Steve Eddins Guest

    Steve Eddins, Feb 12, 2014
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    J. Clarke Guest

    You keep calling it "Advantix". The standard was "APS", not "Advantix",
    and Kodak was not the only player. I have in my possession a nearly
    complete Minolta Vectis DSLR system. Film was made by Kodak, Fuji, and
    Agfa. Cameras were made by Nikon, Canon, and Minolta among others.

    APS as a whole was a failure, not just Kodak's product line within the
    APS market.
    J. Clarke, Feb 12, 2014
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    philo  Guest

    On 02/12/2014 11:33 AM, J. Clarke wrote:

    I did not say APS was a failure, I said Advantix was a failure and it was.
    philo , Feb 12, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    The Sony Mavica, which used disks as recording media, was a popular
    camera for automobile body shops. Photos of the vehicle as brought in
    were taken and the disk placed in the customer file. On insurance
    claims, the body shop will repair damage resulting from the claim, but
    not damage previously incurred unless the customer pays for it.

    The body shop would mark the damaged areas to be repaired in yellow
    (or another color) marker and the damaged areas not covered in red (or
    another color) to provide proof that what was to be repaired was

    Long after the Mavicas were of little interest to the ordinary
    photographer, body shops were buying used ones for this purpose.

    Or, so a body shop manager told me once.
    Tony Cooper, Feb 12, 2014
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    philo  Guest

    I never saw one of those...but the company I worked for used an early
    digital camera that put the images on a floppy drive. It was used to
    record damaged freight.

    That camera would be a nice collector's item today.
    philo , Feb 12, 2014
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    J. Clarke Guest

    So you're saying that APS film was a success? Then do tell me where I
    can buy some that is not more than 2 years old?
    J. Clarke, Feb 12, 2014
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    philo  Guest

    I am cutting and pasting your EXACT words:

    The majority of DSLRs on the market use the APS film format.
    philo , Feb 12, 2014
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    Guest Guest

    mavicas were never of much interest to much of anyone. they were awful
    and a commercial failure. they were slow, big and clunky and didn't
    produce very good results.

    sony failed to learn from their mistakes and came out with a cd mavica
    which was an even bigger disaster, partly because you had to use
    proprietary sony cds. if you used ordinary cds, you had to suffer
    through an ad of some sort, punishing you for not buying authentic sony

    and then sony came out with memory sticks, yet another mistake.
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
  10. Dale

    Guest Guest

    I never saw one of those...but the company I worked for used an early
    digital camera that put the images on a floppy drive. It was used to
    record damaged freight.

    That camera would be a nice collector's item today.[/QUOTE]

    no it wouldn't.

    for as little as $10 on ebay, you can have one. that's hardly 'a
    collector's item'.
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    Let me took a flight on which there were people going to
    the CAA (California Autobody Association) annual meeting and did a
    survey in Coach of whether or not they ever used Mavicas.
    Tony Cooper, Feb 12, 2014
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    Guest Guest

    you guessed wrong. try again.
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Sorry, I did not realize I was dealing with someone who is so literal
    minded that he thinks a DSLR uses film.
    J. Clarke, Feb 13, 2014
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I've already posted an article, which you have ignored, which gives
    the dimensions of the APS formats and asks:

    "Which format? See

    "The film is 24 mm wide, and has three image formats:

    * H for "High Definition" (30.2 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 16:9;
    4×7" print)
    * C for "Classic" (25.1 × 16.7 mm; aspect ratio 3:2; 4×6" print)
    * P for "Panoramic" (30.2 × 9.5 mm; aspect ratio 3:1; 4×11"
    The "C" and "P" formats are formed by cropping. "

    What is there there that can definitively be shown to be the ancestor
    of the format used by DSLRs?"

    I can't see any connection between formats used by DSLRs and APS.
    There may be one but it is not immediately obvious to me.
    Eric Stevens, Feb 13, 2014
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    philo  Guest

    <trolling snipped>
    philo , Feb 13, 2014
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    Martin Leese Guest

    This is off topic.
    Martin Leese, Feb 13, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    Stop picking on nospam. He thrives on it.
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    If nospam wrote that the Nikon Rebel t3 was a good camera, and it was
    pointed out to him that Canon is the maker of the Rebel t3, nospam
    would whine about nitpicking and Jonas would bitch about semantic
    trolling. Both would wail that we should know what he meant.
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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    PeterN Guest

    And they would be right, since language is not a means of communication.
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
  20. Dale

    Guest Guest


    nor would i make such a colossal error anyway.
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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