SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to others?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Lansworth, Oct 14, 2005.

  1. Lansworth

    Lansworth Guest

    I couldn't phrase it better than what I put in my subject line, so I
    won't: SVHS -- Apparently Kicks VHS's butt, but how does it compare to
    others? I am aware it doesn't live up to formats like DVCAM, DVCPRO,
    etc. (thats a given), but does it produce a fairly decent image? I have
    heard it does have a fair amount of resolution, at about 400. Not
    excellent, but better than VHS. Thoughts? I want to hear what you have
    to say.
     
    Lansworth, Oct 14, 2005
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  2. Why are you interested in SVHS?

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Oct 14, 2005
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  3. Lansworth

    ushere Guest

    ford mustang kick butt in it's day too.

    now it's a collectors item, just like svhs....

    leslie
     
    ushere, Oct 14, 2005
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  4. Lansworth

    Bob Ford Guest

    Really now, well I just happen to have a 1965 Mustang GT that can
    still kick butt on a lot of these rice burners and beamers ;-^)
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Oct 14, 2005
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  5. Lansworth

    ushere Guest

    oh i agree!!! and much nice lines too...

    just like a good svhs vtr, looks professional, is solidly built and
    generally, very reliable. hell, i had one in my rack untill a year or so
    ago. impressed the clients with multi-format capabilities, though i hadn't
    used it since (almost) the advent of dv...

    leslie
     
    ushere, Oct 14, 2005
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  6. Somewhere out there on the WWW is hierarchical rank-
    list of most all video formats you've ever heard of. In order
    of quality. But I can't find my link to it, and I can't come up
    with the right key words for a Google search to find it. :-(

    S-VHS is indeed better than VHS, but not likely better than
    DV. It wouldn't surprise me if S-VHS was better than MPEG2
    (DVD quality).
     
    Richard Crowley, Oct 14, 2005
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  7. Lansworth

    Mike Kujbida Guest


    Maybe http://adamwilt.com/DV-FAQ-tech.html
    "How good are the DV formats compared to other formats?"
    (4th heading down on this page.


    With a decent 3-chip camera, I'd be very surprised if this were the case.
    In theory, DVD is capable of more resolution (500 lines?) than SVHS.

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Oct 14, 2005
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  8. Really? Mine is a '65 convertible, built in July of 64. Need to sell it.

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Oct 14, 2005
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  9. Lansworth

    Bob Ford Guest

    Mine was built in mid 1965 so it is a real GT coupe.
    Have you checked them on eBay? Convertibles bring big $$$.
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Oct 14, 2005
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  10. Lansworth

    MediaBLITZ Guest

    VHS/8mm - 240+- res
    SVHS/Hi8 - 425+- res
    DV - 500 + res
     
    MediaBLITZ, Oct 14, 2005
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  11. Lansworth

    Jona Vark Guest

    Up to the first corner maybe!

    (nsx owner)
     
    Jona Vark, Oct 14, 2005
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  12. Lansworth

    Carl Zwanzig Guest

    Depends on how many wheels those rice burners and beamers have :).
    I suspect that there are quite a few 2-wheeled jobs that would leave
    mustang behind. And a triumph or two, too.

    But the'95 mustang is still a nice car.

    z!
    '04 triumph daytona 600 & '97 yamahahah yzf600
    oh, and a bvp-30 with unburned tubes :)
     
    Carl Zwanzig, Oct 14, 2005
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  13. Lansworth

    Larry J. Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, Gary Eickmeier
    Should be worth plenty. Where is it..?
     
    Larry J., Oct 14, 2005
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  14. When comparing FORMATS it is important to also consider the
    actual machine. I believe this to be especially true for the
    consumer analog format SVHS.

    Resolution isn't really the most important parameter of a recording
    format. Alot of tradeoffs come along with resolution. For formats
    like SVHS/VHS/etc, IMO the biggest gotcha is chroma performance of all
    kinds.

    Another big difference is the multi-generational performance. SVHS
    doesnt' seem to hold up for very many generations, but D9 (a DV50
    format) really does look about as good as BetaCamSP after more
    than several generations. After several generations, SVHS will tend
    to start looking 'not very good.' (I ran some tests on D9, where
    I did 10 record/playback cycles through the component I/O ports, and
    it stilly looked very good -- far beyond SVHS for the first generation.)

    For an 'interesting' time, record a multi-burst on an SVHS deck, and
    play it back without 3D noise reduction (but certainly with TBC enabled.)
    You might notice defects in the high frequency reproduction. For
    normal DV, you'll notice rock-solid reproduction. Then, make a third
    generation copy of that multi-burst (using the appropriate copy settings
    on the SVHS VCR), using SVideo I/O for both DV and SVHS. The comparison might
    be interesting. For a stationary pattern, DV25 and DVHS will likely perform
    similarly, while SVHS will tend (depending upon the deck) to look worse
    than the original. Disclaimer: MULTIBURST is not a difficult test for
    the typical digital formats like DV25 or DVHS MPEG. Movement (mostly
    MPEG) or irregular detail are more difficult for those formats.

    Given that comparison, then note that DV25 (normal DV) tends to be on the
    low end of the SDTV quality scale -- but still pretty good. Formats
    like DigiBeta will start diminishing to DV25 quality after 5-10record/playback
    generations. (i.e. the fifth copy of a copy of a copy of a copy, etc.)


    John
     
    John S. Dyson, Oct 15, 2005
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  15. Lakeland, Florida.

    Gary Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Oct 15, 2005
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  16. Lansworth

    none Guest

    I've used commercial SVHS machines in years gone by and still have a
    SVHS setup in a corner of editing room for special apps.(Sanyo
    commercial SVHS with RS232 controller for stop motion/animation work)
    I've used it to produce first gen recordings with older 3-chip
    cams.(and 3-tube on occasion)
    Mainly used it because I've still got a wall full of SEG's, TBC's and
    special effects boxes that allows me to do alot of tweeks that would
    take forever in post with my digital setup AND do it live/realtime.
    I then use analog capture to digitize it and about all I have to do is
    a bit of color balancing to get it to blend in with my digital footage
    which almost always gets softened a bit to get it closer to a film
    look anyway.
    I've never had anyone tell me they could see any difference in the
    analog vs. the digital.
    I wouldn't recommend trying to go past second gen. if you're using a
    strictly SVHS analog setup.
     
    none, Oct 15, 2005
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  17. Lansworth

    none Guest

    Has anyone here ever actually run against a well built Mustang?
    My old 'stang ran a 400 shelby under the hood. I'd put that up against
    anything coming out of Japan even today.
     
    none, Oct 15, 2005
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    Bob Ford Guest

    Like you would know:)
    Bring your nsx and pink on up to the bay area, I'll be waiting!
    Bob Ford
    Images In Motion
    www.imagesinmotion.com
     
    Bob Ford, Oct 15, 2005
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  19. Lansworth

    Jona Vark Guest

    Up to the first corner baybeee!
     
    Jona Vark, Oct 15, 2005
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  20. Lansworth

    Jona Vark Guest

    Yes.And I watched him spin out behind me. It's all about the driver I
    guess.. Don't know who it was. I wasn't racing him but he did try to catch
    me in going through the redwoods in Northern Ca. It was actually scary. But
    the car loved it.

    I'm too old and sensible to do any street racing anymore.
    Some pretty scary rice burners out there. They weigh nothing and these kids
    are building them into mini monsters. No doubt the age of American
    automotive superiority is long gone.

    My first car was a 65 Mustang hand me down. My father bought it new in late
    64 for $2495. I loved that car. But no mustang anywhere is anything like an
    NSX. Different breeds. The new Mustangs sound awesome and are very powerful.
    But crude in comparison.

    Not meant to be contrary or argumentative. Just my take on it.
     
    Jona Vark, Oct 15, 2005
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