Taking the digital plunge, finally

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Jasen, Oct 7, 2005.

  1. Jasen

    Jasen Guest

    Thanks to all those who have offered sound advice over the last few weeks.
    I am adding to my current minolta system next week, the KM 7D with 18-70mm
    lens and UV filter plus the vertical battery grip and a 1gig 40X CF card to
    start with, just in time to cash in the $300 rebate......if they cough up
    that is! Should do me for a while and stop the missus from whinging about
    me wanting anything else!!
    cheers and thanks, this is a great ng.
    Jasen, Oct 7, 2005
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  2. .... is it too late to say the K-M 18-70mm isn't a great lens?

    Martin Francis, Oct 7, 2005
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    Jer Guest

    Not only did KM honor my 7D rebate, Lexar honored theirs too.
    Jer, Oct 7, 2005
  4. Jasen

    Jasen Guest

    Um, no, but exactly why isn't it great?
    I am buying on tuesday.

    Jasen, Oct 8, 2005
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    Joe Pak Guest

    Is there a good handy reference for lens comparisons in general?

    Joe Pak, Oct 8, 2005
  6. Well, most reviews of the 5D find the images soft, as do my own
    (nonscientific) tests. All of these are with the 18-70mm lens, and AFAIK the
    sensor in the 5D is the same as that of the 7D, which is generally well
    received. Therefore it looks like the lens is the limiting factor.

    The 24-120mm lens seems really good from what i've tried of it, BTW.

    Martin Francis, Oct 8, 2005
  7. Jasen

    Jasen Guest

    Ok. I will check out the prices of the other lens but I am on a strict
    budget and may not be able to afford it just yet. Most of what I will take
    with the 7D will be wildlife and macro shots and for landscapes I am
    sticking to fine grained professional film as I think, from what I have been
    told thus far, the quality is better with film than with only
    6.1MP.....unless you've heard or know differently??
    What about simply sharpening the pics anyway if they are a little soft??
    Most reviews seem to advise upping the sharpening level a notch or two on
    the 7D, but you might be right and it could all be in the lens.
    Jasen, Oct 9, 2005
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    Bill Guest

    Then save up until you can afford it. No sense wasting money on a lense
    when you know you won't be happy with the results.
    I think that's a crock...6megs is good enough for just about anything.

    The only reason I have an 8meg camera is because that's what Canon opted
    to put in the model with the features I wanted. I would have been just
    as happy with a 6meg sensor.
    I wish it was that simple...I'd buy cheap glass instead of the good

    If the image is soft due to the lense, sharpening won't really help
    much. It will make edges more defined and increase detail highlight, but
    it won't improve resolution. Too much sharpening and you get a contrast
    exaggerated image...ugh.
    Bill, Oct 9, 2005
  9. Jasen

    Jasen Guest

    Fair enough, will delay my purchase of the lens and put up with no lower end
    focal length zoom for now.
    Jasen, Oct 9, 2005
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    Bill Guest

    Remember, the glass on the front is what creates the image for the
    sensor. Lousy glass means a lousy image. Good glass makes a big
    Bill, Oct 9, 2005
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    Jasen Guest

    Yeah, I know that but thought that this minolta lens was supposed to be made
    specially for their digital SLRs' and would be better than your average
    lens, not to mention that they make special mention that there is an
    aspherical element or something in it to lower aberrations. Oh well, you
    can't believe everything you read, can you? Surely most things minolta
    would be good quality???!!! I guess the price says it all, at half the cost
    of say, a Tokina or Sigma lens, what can you expect.
    Jasen, Oct 9, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Congrats, wonderful camera system. $300 rebate? US$? Wow!

    As others have pointed out, consider another lens. the 24-105 f/var (D)
    comes to mind.

    Alan Browne, Oct 9, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Minolta Canada coughed up the rebate even though I carefully pointed out
    that I did not qualify for it (bought camera in pre-rebate period).

    Alan Browne, Oct 9, 2005
  14. Jasen

    Bill Guest

    Unfortunately no.

    How well the lense is designed is crucial to its performance. There are
    plenty of lenses that use low dispersion or aspherical elements, but
    that doesn't guarantee high quality. It might help to make the lense
    decent, but not great.

    It would be like the Canon 28-105 f/3.5-4.5 lense. It can take very good
    images, but you have to stop it down to f/8. For the price, it's a great
    performer. Few other lenses could match it in the same price range.

    Then there's the Canon 70-200 f/4 L, which costs half as much as the
    f/2.8 version, is smaller and lighter too, but performs just as good.
    It's a great lense at a bargain price, relatively speaking of course.

    And here's a surprise, the Canon 17-40 f/4 L is actually better than the
    f/2.8 16-35 model at the short end. The 17-40 tends to go a bit soft at
    30+ mm, but below that it beats the 16-35, and at half the cost. Since I
    use it mostly for the wide end, I saved hundreds of dollars and got a
    better performer.

    Then there's the cheap Canon EF-S 18-55 version II that sells with the
    Rebel XT and 20D. Contrary to Canon's claim that it's the same, it's
    actually the opposite of the original lense in that you don't want to
    stop down. It works best wide-open. While not a great lense in any
    sense, for $100 you can get started taking some decent photos.
    I'm shocked to learn otherwise.

    That's usually the way it goes - you get what you pay for. There's
    always some price/performance gems though, and if you can find out which
    they are, you can get some very nice glass at a reasonable price.

    That's where the Internet really shines.
    Bill, Oct 9, 2005
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    Jasen Guest

    Rebate in Aussie dollars. would be nicer if it was US!
    Well, at least they ought to pay up. Bought a Philips shaver that offered a
    rebate and haven't seen it even after complaining.
    Jasen, Oct 10, 2005
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