Talk me out of a NIKON 5700

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by amder, Oct 30, 2003.

  1. amder

    amder Guest

    I can get a Nikon 5700 new for $729, shipped and with tax.

    Should I take it or what other camera should I buy in this range ?
    Talk me out of it.

    Thanks
     
    amder, Oct 30, 2003
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  2. Slow lens. No AF assist. Noise at higher ISOs. Sony F717 (faster lens, good
    AF assist, slightly lower noise at higher ISOs), Minolta A1 with image
    stabilization, or Canon 300D with far superior image quality.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 30, 2003
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  3. amder

    Bob Niland Guest

    Are you sure?
    http://www.photo.net/equipment/where-to-buy

    For what applications?

    Fuji S7000 ?

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    Bob Niland, Oct 30, 2003
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  4. amder

    Bowsér Guest

    Canon Digital Rebel, far better camera, more flexibility, much faster and
    accurate AF, interhcangable lenses, better pix for an additional $170.

    More money, but well worth it.
     
    Bowsér, Oct 30, 2003
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  5. It uses a smaller sensor than the Sony, so ISO 400 noise may be problematic
    (it doesn't do ISO 800 at full res). And the lens is slower than the Sony.
    Dpreview seems not to have reviewed it yet, so I'd be nervous.

    IMHO, the only consumer camera competing with the Sony right now is the
    Minolta A1: slightly wider zoom range and the image stabilization apparently
    works quite well, making the slower lens not an issue. Rumor has it that
    they've got the noise (which was a problem in the D7 series) under control,
    but again, no dpreview full review yet. From the preview:

    "Gone is the hollow feel of the early 7 series cameras, instead the A1 feels
    solid, weighty (although its only a tiny bit heavier than the 7Hi) and
    robust. The metal used to make up the body seems to be thicker and this
    camera feels like it could go into battle and come out looking considerably
    better than the photographer. This has to be one of the most comfortable
    digital cameras, the design of the hand grip is just perfect, depth,
    thickness and even the makeup of the rubber used are all perfect. At the
    back a small 'hook' is placed just so for your thumb. Kudos Minolta"

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Oct 30, 2003
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  6. amder

    Fabio Guest

    I can get a Nikon 5700 new for $729, shipped and with tax.
    Those cameras are made from baby seals. Get a Fuji.
     
    Fabio, Oct 30, 2003
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  7. amder

    Berringer Guest

    Its a Nikon. How good can it be?

    ;)

    B
     
    Berringer, Oct 30, 2003
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  8. amder

    amder Guest

    Yes.
    Just got it from Dell with coupons and rebates with promotions tax and
    shipping was $729. Its in my hand, but a friend of mine will buy t if
    I don't want it. Decisions, decisions.

    Don't hink I can live with a non swivel viewfinder on the Rebel from
    Canon.
    Otherwise it looks like a sweet camera.

    Taking a shot from the ground up would be impossibel with it, unless
    you like laying on the ground.
    Am I missing something ???
     
    amder, Oct 30, 2003
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  9. amder

    Frank ess Guest

    I'm about three months into a CP5700, and of course my skills don't match
    its performance, yet, BUT . . .

    I think if I weren't already invested in that one and myriad appurtenances,
    I'd postpone purchase for a month or two more (or more), and go for a Canon
    10D. More pixels, more and closer control, more lens choices. My eye has
    never been good enough to see an important difference among higher-line
    cameras' images, so the Nikon does fine for me in that direction. More
    pixels means more opportunity to compensate for mis-frames (my preoccupation
    is with racing cars in motion). The bigger body may suit certain styles.

    On the other hand, unless you are a professional or some kind of nut, the
    CP5700 would probably exceed your needs, in a compact package with
    exceptional built-in zoom range. If you want wider than ~28mm equivalent, no
    joy. The CP5000 (half the price, refurbed by Nikon) with wide converter goes
    to ~19mm equiv, but only to 290 or so tele with 3x converter.

    I have said this kind of thing before, and still believe it: Choosing a
    camera is a matter of selecting the one that departs least from the absolute
    match to your requirements.

    Frank ess
     
    Frank ess, Oct 30, 2003
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  10. amder

    Frank ess Guest

    <snip>

    PS: To a teleconverter demo I added two backyard photos of smoke-subdued sun
    south of the Cedar fire in Cinderego, California. One with the lens at its
    35mm widest, one with the wide converter ~28mm:
    http://www.fototime.com/inv/A1ADDE202286826

    Frank ess
     
    Frank ess, Oct 30, 2003
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  11. Don't know if this helps, but I had a 5700 for about 6 weeks before trading it back in on a Canon 10D. I found that the Nikon took brilliant photos of some subjects, (buildings in particular), but was quite poor on others (like trees in the distance - appeared as "digital blobs") I found it great for night shots, with very little noise in the black areas, but paradoxically, always showed quite some noise in blue skies.
    Perhaps the biggest problem I found was the slowness in Writing to the memory card, especially with RAW images, taking between 30-45 seconds to write each image, depending on the speed of the card. I found even saving large jpegs took 3 or 4 seconds each.
    I'd recommend saving for a 300D if you can possibly manage it - you'll be MUCH more satisfied with the results.
    Cheers...
    Phillip...
     
    Phillip Archer, Oct 30, 2003
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  12. Sorry about the HTML - I've now turned it off :))
    Phillip...
     
    Phillip Archer, Oct 30, 2003
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  13. I just got mine back from Nikon repair. Had it for two months and flash
    went out. I wish I'd found the below before I bought mine

    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/5700.htm

    Larry
     
    Lawrence L'Hote, Oct 30, 2003
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  14. Been highly delighted with mine - compact, excellent zoom range, no
    problems with interchangeable lenses and dust! Be sure to get a spare
    battery or two, though!

    Go for it! There always something better "around the corner" but you're
    missing out on photos and experience in the mean time.

    Cheers,
    David
     
    David J Taylor, Oct 30, 2003
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  15. amder

    Frank ess Guest

    I'll take exception to the "no moving targets" assertion by the author of
    that page: once you've practiced your "half-press" technique, you can keep
    up quite well, and it quickly becomes second nature.

    I'm appreciative of everything that does all the work for me, but I'll bet
    an honest assessment of even the most advanced and praised cameras have
    their shortcomings that require learning and practice to compensate.

    Frank ess
     
    Frank ess, Oct 30, 2003
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  16. amder

    amder Guest

    amder, Oct 30, 2003
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    I pretty much second most of what you said. Also have the battery
    grip, WC and TC. If I may make a suggestion for the noise issue give
    Neat Image a try . I use it for higher ISO shots all the time.
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    Ed Ruf, Oct 31, 2003
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  18. amder

    Frank Weston Guest

    I recently moved from the Nikon 5700 to a DSLR. I'm now on my 5th digital
    camera.

    When I bought the 5700 about a year ago, I was very happy with the
    improvements it made over my previous digital, but there were some features
    of my 35mm film SLR that the 5700 just could not match. On the plus side,
    the images the 5700 produces can be very nice, the camera is small, and
    relatively easy to handle. Quality is excellent, although my camera came
    with a few dead pixels.

    On the minus side: The 5700 viewfinder is difficult to use relative to a
    DSLR finder. The image is dull, and sharp manual focus is nearly
    impossible. Reviewing images in the viewfinder is a joke. The LCD screen
    is nice, but similarly useless in bright sun. 5700 shutter lag is a major
    annoyance compared to a good DSLR. In general the 5700 is comparatively
    slow. Speaking of slow...the low light autofocus, when it focuses at all is
    like molasses. While the lens on the 5700 is versatile, it's no match for
    the selection available for any DSLR, and it too is slow. The controls on
    the 5700 are too much and too many. There are too many buttons and they're
    too easy to accidentally hit. I find my new DSLR much more intuitive and
    simpler to operate although it offers much more capability. Although 5700
    color is good, I discovered that it absolutely can not reproduce very dark
    shades of red. I must have taken hundreds of shots of one particular kind
    of flower over a two month period, using all kinds of lighting, all angles,
    all kinds of profiles, and all kinds of white balance. The results were
    never true to life, or even close.

    Talked out of it yet?

    The 5700 fits a certain category of user, and for those user's it's a great
    camera. If you just want good snapshots without much complication, the 5700
    is not a good choice. If you want the ultimate in capability in a SLR-like
    camera, the 5700 is not a good choice. But, if you want a camera rich in
    features, that's flexible, and capable of excellent pictures with some
    compromise in speed, and if you're willing to put up with the Byzantine
    menus and controls and some color problems, then the 5700 may be right for
    you.
     
    Frank Weston, Oct 31, 2003
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  19. Even if the Nikon 5700 would be the BEST BUY for the buck today, it would be
    true TODAY.

    Tomorrow ???
     
    Claude Marcil, Nov 1, 2003
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  20. amder

    amder Guest

    amder, Nov 2, 2003
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