Terrible camera work on America's Got Talent

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Doc, Jul 20, 2006.

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    Doc Guest

    Whoever the director is on America's Got Talent, they have their head up
    their wazoo. Something I noticed tonight is that they spent way too much
    time spent on reaction shots of the audience and judges when the whole point
    is to see the acts. Do they think everyone really needs to see Brandy
    mugging at the acts more than what the acts are actually doing?

    They also don't seem to get that ALL the shots need to be framed close
    enough to SEE the performers.
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    oldbones55 Guest

    I agree with you. I couldn't watch this show past the first episode.
    The acts are up there for 60 seconds and at least 30 seconds of it is
    reaction shots of the audience and the judges, it's the worst directed
    'talent" show I've ever seen.

    Of course, any act who goes up with a fast paced song or high energy
    gets applauded no matter how stock, talentless or stupid; it's the most
    forgiving audience in the history of audiences. But the judges are
    idiots, clueless buffoons who have no business judging a talent show
    (don't get me started on this). When the brit said to the rapping
    granny "you're what this show is about" I stopped watching.
     
    oldbones55, Jul 20, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    Heh heh. I had to snort when I heard Brandy telling Piers "I know what I'm
    talking about" re: the girl group. Geezus, give me a break. Brandy is the
    archetypical model of a pop star who's a star ONLY because she's photogenic.
    One of the weakest singers in pop history. She has no real vocal chops,
    whispers her way through her songs. Her commentary about the "lack of
    chemistry" of the girl group was strictly visual, they were all very
    different in appearance, and not neccessarily cover girl material ala the
    Spice Girls. I thought they were okay vocally, not spectacular, but not
    abysmal. I thought they were on par with the male doo wop group, which is to
    say, passable, not phenomenal.

    I'm personally not keen on this "urban warble" style of vocal delivery
    that's become ubiquitous among female singers both black and white.

    I hear Hasselhoff is supposed to be a singer, and is popular as such in
    Europe. I've never heard him so can't say if he has any real talent. Could
    he really not tell that the little girl playing the piano made numerous
    outright flubs along with rhythmic problems? Cute, but not a standout as a
    player. In an actual age-group piano competition, she wouldn't stand a
    chance.
    Especially since he's made so much noise since then about how they're
    looking for "high quality" talent. In general they've been all over the map
    as to their assessments. They all pee'd their pants over that Whitney
    Houston wannabe Alexis Jordon on the first show, but I suppose once they
    heard Bianca Ryan, a girl who was 3 years younger but a far more capable
    singer, they realized how mediocre Alexis was. They should have known it
    right away.

    IMO, Bianca Ryan has been the only one of the singers who's shown true star
    potential. The yodeler was cute but her actual singing is so-so and the
    yodeling is gonna get old quick.
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    daveparks_00 Guest

    Forget that; the inconsistencies in the "judges" comments, and the
    blatant nonconstructive purposefully rude remarks by the abrasive Brit,
    Piers "You're simply useless" Morgan, but WTH was up with the judges in
    electing *not* to select a "safe" performer for the evening?
    I thought 'that' was thier whole function; pick an act to be safe and
    automatically move on to the final rounds - what BS, or should I say,
    "They're simply useless."?
     
    daveparks_00, Jul 20, 2006
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    Anim8rFSK Guest

    Yeah, that was pretty stupid. The Hoff and Brandy wanted to pick a
    singing act, which would clearly be All That. The question is, who did
    Peirs want to put through?
     
    Anim8rFSK, Jul 20, 2006
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    He said he wanted something other than another singing act.

    I think their tactic was to let the voting audience pick the singers, so they
    could come back with something else.
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 20, 2006
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    The camera work is fine, the directing is abysmal for the reasons you've
    stated.
     
    Larry in AZ, Jul 20, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    My sloppy proofreading aside. Should read "...they spent way too much time
    on reaction shots..." minus the extra "spent".
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    Ubiquitous Guest

    I noticed that as well, which is a shame since a lot of these acts are
    visual and we miss out on parts.
     
    Ubiquitous, Jul 20, 2006
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    trike Guest

    That's called "melisma."

    It's a descendent of religious music, from Gregorian chant through
    gospel music. When used sparingly, it is effective, but most of the
    current pop versions of it seem directly linked to Mariah Carey's first
    single. It has been used before by other pop musicians, of course, but
    the pushing it to extremes (and gesturing with one hand fluttering)
    seems to stem from Carey.

    Another example can be heard in Queen's song "Somebody to Love."

    Doug
     
    trike, Jul 20, 2006
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  11. It's not necessarily the director who comes up with this. It might be the
    producers or the station as well, which demand this kind of work.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 20, 2006
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    daveparks_00 Guest

    I thought that as well - but that's not what the "judges" supposed to
    do at this point.
    They should have picked their favorite; letting the viewers then pick
    theirs from those remaining.

    I also don't get the "checks/exes" display in these later rounds -
    what's the point?
    The judges can simply state their opinions and move on; the
    approval/disapproval symbols are unnecessary at this stage.
     
    daveparks_00, Jul 20, 2006
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    jakdedert Guest

    I can't imagine any of this not being staged beforehand. I mean,
    really, you think that reality--as portrayed by any of these shows--is
    *real*?

    It's all a scam.

    jak
     
    jakdedert, Jul 20, 2006
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    Jorabi Guest

    I caught the second hour of this show. The reason for all the non-
    stage shots is that the acts are heavily edited. Like the finger
    snapper ... they hardly showed any of his snapping. If they
    didn't show other things, the video of the act would be jumping
    violently from one thing to another.

    That part about the judges not being able to decide ... blatantly
    pre-planned.
     
    Jorabi, Jul 20, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    ..nod Various embellishments, arpeggiating etc. on a particular vowel, but I
    made up my own term for it since what they do seems to follow a distinctive
    (and irritating) stylistic path of its own. I could probably call it "urban
    melisma". Non-musicians might not know what I'm talking about.

    It drives me nuts that so many female singers fall into it. I can't stand
    listening to Christina Aguilera because of it. She has a great vocal
    instrument, but it just sounds so contrived.
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    I wondered if some of the really bad acts from the first round were plants.
    That guy who sang about 5 seconds of "I Left My Heart In SanFrancisco" just
    before Bianca Ryan the second week. Good god, I'm sure Helen Keller could
    have sung better than that guy. Was it an accident that they had what was
    possibly the worst singer of the competition go on just before someone who
    many feel has been the best?
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    Doc Guest

    Apparently they're under no obligation to make a decision at show time, even
    though it's been stated that's how it works? I believe game shows have
    strict rules they have to follow to stay out of legal hot water. Not so with
    this show?
     
    Doc, Jul 20, 2006
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    jakdedert Guest

    Her performance was--for me--the low point of a pretty shoddy Grammy
    show this year. She wandered around the melody for an entire song
    without ever actually singing one actual note on the staff.

    Total BS....

    jak
     
    jakdedert, Jul 20, 2006
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    jakdedert Guest

    As another poster noted; it's all in the script...probably down to the
    'ad-libs'. You don't think Regis would let himself be dragged around
    like that, do you? Not that I have any great love for him, but in his
    position, it's ludicrous to think there'd be some unscripted rebellion
    on his prime-time show.

    "You'll never work in this town again."

    jak
     
    jakdedert, Jul 20, 2006
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    Anim8rFSK Guest

    I agree it plays like that, but I don't think that's the case; the acts
    have a specific time limit, so they can't be heavily editing them unless
    they get more than one shot at the performance. I think it's just
    really bad editing. I also don't believe those inserts of close ups of
    gap mouthed kids are genuine; they're set up and/or shot at another time.

    If they MUST do the audience inserts, at least stick 'em in an insert
    box in the corner of the screen or something.
    Yeah, I'm suspicious of that one too.
     
    Anim8rFSK, Jul 20, 2006
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