Thank you all for your answers

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Bible John, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. Bible John

    Bible John Guest

    I appreciate the feedback I've been getting here, but perhaps you Richard
    and many others do not understand, that I am by no means a professional in
    this field. I have had a love for video, but my love is just a pleasure.
    Although I have worked for newspapers, and at organizations where it was my
    job to take pictures, none of these were as a "professional" photographer.
    But then again not everyone taking pictures for newspapers, or whatever are
    professional. And besides these were still photo jobs. Someone else was
    doing the video in each of these jobs, as I have a bit more experience in
    the still photo area. But then again I am not a professional.

    I do believe my standards, and your standards are very different and this
    might explain the communication problem we have been having.


    Thanks for your help. Especially to you Richard. Its obvious your a video
    and audio expert.


    John

    --
    1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
    to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
    you, with meekness and fear
    CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
    Founder and director
    http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
     
    Bible John, Apr 17, 2006
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    Steve House Guest

    "Professional" is a matter of attitude rather than pay or whether one
    does it for a source of income. The professional is committed to
    doing the job as right as it can be done within the limitations of
    assets he or she has available with which to do it. To put it the way
    a boss of mine expressed her business philosophy many years ago "Good
    enough, never is!"
     
    Steve House, Apr 17, 2006
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    Phil Wheeler Guest

    Perhaps in your mind. But you should buy a dictionary someday.
     
    Phil Wheeler, Apr 17, 2006
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    Steve House Guest

    I have several, thank you very much, and I even know how to read them.
    Would you be happier with the phrase "professional approach?"

    S
     
    Steve House, Apr 17, 2006
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    Steve House Guest

    And by the way, one of my dictionaries gives the following as one of
    the definitions for the word "professional:"
    ....
    3. very competent: showing a high degree of skill or competence


    S
     
    Steve House, Apr 17, 2006
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    David McCall Guest

    The term is used more than one way. To some it only means that
    you get paid (hopefully well paid) to do what you do, but it has little
    do with the quality of your work, or what kind of attitude you have.
    Sadly a lot of union people have this perspective. Non-union people
    usually don't last very long with this approach.

    While others think of it in the context of professionalism, and feel
    that it is all about doing quality work, and having a good work
    attitude and ethic. You don't even have to make any money to
    be professional in the way you accomplish work you do.

    The best of both worlds is when you can put the two together.

    David
     
    David McCall, Apr 17, 2006
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    Phil Wheeler Guest

    Absolutely: On that I can agree with what you said 100%, Steve :)
     
    Phil Wheeler, Apr 17, 2006
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    PTravel Guest

    I'm not a professional -- I'm strictly an amateur. I shoot and edit video
    for my own pleasure, and my audience is limited to my wife, my in-laws, and
    a couple of friends who are kind enough to pretend an interest in the travel
    videos that I shoot. As an amateur, I'm concerned with getting the most
    bang-for-the-buck -- I want the best video quality for the least investment
    of dollars. In the present market, miniDV camcorders are the least
    expensive, and also offer the best quality when compared to other consumer
    formats. Additionally, a miniDV camcorder with AV-inputs and pass-through
    can do real-time digitalization of analog video as well, or better, than any
    comparably-priced consumer capture card.

    I looked at a couple of your videos on your website. These entailed
    editing, as well as some elementary compositing (adding titles uses
    compositing). Though what I do is a little more advanced than your videos,
    it's comparable in scope -- I shoot travel videos, edit them and add titles
    (I also do the occassional special effect, add soundtracks, match color,
    correct exposure, stabilize, incorporate digital stills, etc.). It is far
    easier to keep my video all-digital, much easier to manipulate it without
    image degradation, and and the (technical) quality at any point in the
    process, whether source or final master, is far, far better than what you
    can accomplish using an analogue machine.

    MiniDV was invented as an amateur format (DVCAM was the pro equivalent).
    However, miniDV is so robust that it has been used in professional
    applications -- there are Hollywood-released feature films that were shot on
    miniDV, the BBC uses miniDV camera for ENG (Electronic News Gathering), and
    many network reality television programs are shot on miniDV.

    At this point, it makes no sense for an amateur to use any amateur format
    EXCEPT miniDV.

     
    PTravel, Apr 17, 2006
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    Bible John Guest

    --
    1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
    to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
    you, with meekness and fear
    CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
    Founder and director
    http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
    How do you know everyone working for unions are lazy? Perhaps some of them
    are people who want honest and fair work environments, and not have to deal
    with the harassment and unfairness of a non union job?

    Do you think the employees at Enron were happy that were in a non union job?
    Do you think they were lazy?
    Its the same attitude I have with CERM. Although I am not beign paid to
    create bible curriculum, and mini sermons, its what I love doing, and I cant
    wait to return to school, to start a Masters degree. I cant wait to dive
    into the text deeper, and the depth I am looking for is only really found in
    bible college or seminary. Or perhaps a fundamentalist church (and there
    are very few of these in the hyper liberal area that I live at).
     
    Bible John, Apr 17, 2006
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    Bible John Guest

    The videos on the site were done by my friend. But the original footage was
    in analog. My friend is attached to his Amiga and video toaster and he does
    not want to leave the platform. So for him a video capture card is his
    life.

    http://johnw.freeshell.org/JWPaul.com

    --
    1 Pet 3:15-But sanctify the Lord God[a] in your hearts, and always be ready
    to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in
    you, with meekness and fear
    CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
    Founder and director
    http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible
     
    Bible John, Apr 17, 2006
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    PTravel Guest

    Right. Except that he could also capture his analog video through a miniDV
    camcorder with pass-through -- they'll digitize analog video on the fly.
     
    PTravel, Apr 17, 2006
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    VW Guest

    What is a job? Simply it is another person paying you for your time.

    What is money? It is a representation of a person’s time and labor used
    as a method of trading goods.

    So you claim a person needs to have a legal reason to stop giving you
    that piece of their lives called money? You claim a piece of another
    person as a right? Sad, it is called envy, or some would say you covet
    that which is not yours.
     
    VW, Apr 17, 2006
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    Sawney Beane Guest

    "Profession" came into English in the 13th Century to mean the vows for
    entering a religious order. It came to mean three privileged
    occupations: clergy, lawyers, and doctors. In the 19th and 20th
    Centuries, the term was increasingly used to include other skilled
    occupations. For example, at one time a nurse was hired as a servant.
    Now a nurse is expected to know more than the patient, probably more
    than the employer, and perhaps more than the doctor, so nursing is a
    profession.

    Late in the 19th Century, as more people were learning skilled
    occupations as leisure activities, "professional" came to be used to
    exclude amateurs. Along came the Wrights, amateurs whose approach to
    aeronautics was far more competent than that of renowned professionals
    like Langley. To say the Wrights were more than hobbyists, the
    criterion for professionalism must be competence and not employment.
     
    Sawney Beane, Apr 17, 2006
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    bobbagoose Guest

    I like cake
     
    bobbagoose, Apr 17, 2006
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  15. Without getting into semantics, there seems to be an operational
    definition of an app targeted for professional users.

    Most of the vendors of pro-tour video gear and software assume that
    professionals are willing to pay fairly large amounts of money, and
    spend fairly large amounts of time, because the target's income depends
    on the product. Thus, ease of use often takes a back seat to
    functionality.

    For example: photoshop has whole courses devoted to it, and buying it
    will do severe damage to a thousand dollar bill, but professionals keep
    buying it. Their businesses usually produce enough to afford it, when
    amortized over a year. A home user, on the other hand, is less likely
    to just write off that cost as part of doing business.

    Put another way, in a pro app, you can assume that a user will spend a
    day figuring out your workflow system. In a consumer app, you often
    have to assume that they will only spend a few minutes, and thus you
    need to get _something_ out of it _right away_.

    The prosumer (and I hate that word very much) market seems to focus on
    taking the low hanging fruit from the pro apps, and moving them to the
    consumer apps after some careful UI engineering. Thus, a consumer app
    gets a feature beyond most casual users, but with an interface such that
    they will not likely screw up their project.

    A fraction of the hobbyist market is often _more_ concerned with getting
    'it' done right, because it is a labor of love. Another fraction is
    less, because they are not burdened with excess time to work.

    Scott
     
    Scott Ellsworth, Apr 18, 2006
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    Kurt Ullman Guest

    There are only three true professions and thus professionals. They
    are doctors, lawyers, and clergy. At least according to one of my Soc
    profs. Thus, this whole thread seems to be silly.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Apr 18, 2006
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    David McCall Guest

    All those girls in the oldest profession are all amatures
    as far as you have been able to tell?

    David
     
    David McCall, Apr 18, 2006
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    Ian Gregory Guest

    A thousand dollars is nothing for a "professional" app. In the
    mid 1990's I was working for a company where I was asked to set
    up a system for doing large strain finite element analysis of
    rubber engineering components. There were only two packages that
    could do what we needed, ABAQUS and MARC. They both cost about
    forty thousand dollars.

    It is like with business and economy airline tickets. Most
    people who are paying their own flights will go economy but
    if the company is paying then no one bats an eyelid when they
    book a business class ticket costing ten times as much.

    Ian
     
    Ian Gregory, Apr 18, 2006
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    Kurt Ullman Guest

    But it isn't a profession according to my Prof., it is an
    occupation. While those in the occupation in question, probably have a
    unique body of knowledge, I would submit that automony is what is
    lacking. They have no legal standing, they don't have their own
    standards of education and training, the practitioner is not relatively
    free of lay person evaluation and control. Some would say that most
    legislation concerned with the profession is shaped by the profession,
    but that is probably more related to the high percentage of whores in
    the legislature.
     
    Kurt Ullman, Apr 18, 2006
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  20. Remind your professor that Professional Engineers have legal standing in
    most states, as well as autonomy. For that matter, licensed general
    contractors have legal standing and control their own profession's
    training.

    Scott
     
    Scott Ellsworth, Apr 18, 2006
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