Thank you so much to all

Discussion in 'Photography' started by mmyvusenet, Feb 3, 2012.

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    tony cooper Guest

    One of the things that always amuses me on Usenet is the pot taking on
    the role of the kettle.
    tony cooper, Feb 5, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    The latter is often all that the person wants. That's why Flickr
    tony cooper, Feb 5, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    I can only hope that Miguel isn't considering a move from accounting to
    a "Pro-photography" career based on the vacuous, gushing, singular
    words of praise heaped on his work in Flickr and the purchase of a
    "Pro" camera (whatever that might be).

    I think the big mistake that all of us have made was making the
    assumption that Miguel ever asked for critique or advice.

    I believe that Miguel's biggest issues in these photo-groups has been
    culture & English, together with a reluctance to engage those who
    attempted to give sincere assistance, commentary, or advice.
    Initially there were some other issues I had when his posts trended
    towards the evangelical.

    His requests for comment seemed to be almost an incidental part of a
    signature rather than actually asking for constructive criticism.
    Consider that even in his first posts he only states, "Thanks for your
    comments about photography." He never actually asked for advice or
    critique of his work.

    I was happier to see his move to "postcard" shots, but as time moved on
    I felt less and less any inclination to say anything about his work. least Miguel seems to not be a Sisker.
    Savageduck, Feb 5, 2012
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    PeterN Guest

    Since I tend interchange critique with advice, I tend to assume others
    do too. I know it may not be the ultimate assumption, but I am wired
    that way. I consider an undeserved pat on the head a kindergarten
    technique. (Maybe that's why I would never thrive in a large corporate
    PeterN, Feb 5, 2012
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    philo Guest

    Yes...that makes sense.

    With me I just like to share my photos from time to time.
    Though I sometimes learn from advice...I can be a bit dense at times.

    One good thing for me though is that I have a steady job
    and do not depend on photography for a living...
    so basically am just doing it for my own enjoyment.

    However if others also enjoy something I've done...
    it does make me feel some kind of validity.
    philo, Feb 5, 2012
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    philo Guest

    <portions snipped for brevity>

    equests for comment seemed to be almost an incidental part of a

    well said
    philo, Feb 5, 2012
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    philo Guest

    I have to, unfortunately cope with a large corporate environment five
    days a week. I get a pay check and great benefits and in return have to
    contend with an amazing amount of stupidity.

    One thing I've learned though is that I do not have to deal with idiotic
    managers anymore.

    Since I've been there 38 years (and survived several buyouts) I got very
    brave when I reached retirement age. When a manager would not grant me
    some authority I had requested I said, "the hell with it" and wrote a
    letter to the CEO.

    A few days later, the national head of the service department called me
    and said the CEO wanted to thank me for my concern ( I then started to
    breathe easier). He then told me that "at the top" they really don't
    want to meddle into local affairs and that it was my job to work it out
    with my superiors.

    By that time everyone in my office knew I had written to the CEO...
    but no one knew what his response was. I walked into the regional
    managers office and before I could get started he went on a long
    diatribe about how improper it was for me to go over everyone's heads.
    I sat there calmly and quietly and let him get it all out of his system...
    then calmly stated: Well, that's too late now I talked to the "old man"
    and this is what's going to happen now...then laid it out exactly what
    my new responsibilities were to be. I let him roar and rage like a
    hopelessly speared fish and when all his wind ran out, he finally just
    said "OK"

    I got my way. The CEO or no one "up top" granted me anything.
    I simply took it and got away with it.

    Bottom line, like Dorothy and her red slippers...
    I had the authority all the time. I did not need anyone to grant it to me...
    I simply had to take it.

    Large corporations are OK, you just have to know how to deal with them.

    I'll leave the tie-in to photography up to you.

    If you find it, please let me know :)
    philo, Feb 5, 2012
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    mmyvusenet Guest

    "Savageduck" escribió en el mensaje de
    noticias:[email protected]

    Hello Savageduck, the new camera will be for the same, just to practice
    photography as a hobby.

    Just wanted to mention the titles of the last photos in a language that
    everyone understands, there are more chances you have people who understand
    English instead of Spanish.

    And at first I thought it might be people who read the Bible, to share brief
    thoughts, but It' evident that I'm not evangelical, and I remember after I
    didn't mention about these issues.

    Also because alone at night I can do other activities, and I always
    considered photography as a hobby, and when I started to put more effort is
    that the apparent improvements began.

    Thank you for the latter, but I will say that, in particular, I always had a
    respect for Sisko, he always had the intention to make good pictures, I
    understand that for him, photography was already for other aspects.

    mmyvusenet, Feb 5, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    That is good to know, and I truly hope that learning about your new
    camera, when you get it, helps you in your quest to improve your
    photography. I would just remind you that it is always the "eye" behind
    the camera which is the most important part of capturing good images.
    In the photo-newsgroups that is probably true.
    I certainly have no issue with individuals such as you, holding strong
    beliefs in your faith. I understand that there are times of the year
    which are important to your religion, just as there are times of the
    year important to those of other faiths. I would just note that many of
    your shared photographs emphasized elements of your faith rather than
    the quality of the photographic image, in what is essentially a forum
    for discussion on photographic topics.
    ....and that is all the more reason to seek out constructive criticism
    and advice, which is more specific, rather than "comments" which might
    remark more on subject matter than the photographic process.
    Miguel, I never placed you in the same category as John Sisker. You
    always seemed to be a photo-hobbyist seeking a road to improvement. He
    was never worthy of your respect.

    Sisker came to this group trying to sell his self inflated skills as
    photographer and photo-editor, along with his cruise-travel business.
    His poorly presented web site and his obvious lack of photographic
    skills were challenged from his very first post. There is little doubt
    that John Sisker was SPAMMING this group, and he was given more than
    enough opportunities to extricate himself and initiate and participate
    in these discussions without issues. There were some here who were
    hostile towards him from the start (just as some were with you), and
    there were some who offered sincerely given advice when he tried for
    the absurd.
    Some of us initially gave him the benefit of doubt and tried to
    encourage him to improve his photography and he responded reasonably at
    first, but that all turned sour very quickly.

    Here is one exchange of that reasonable sort I had with him:

    Thanks Savageduck for the extra encouragement. Likewise, I certainly
    hear what you are saying about a few others. I actually had one in
    particular pegged not too long after I arrived here. It didn't take
    long at all to see the rhetoric and double standards in his input,
    giving me the impression that he actually thinks he is some type of
    expert on just about everything, but in reality is just another one of
    the jerks that sometimes frequent these newsgroups. But even the worst
    of some people can at times come up with something good. Of course by
    then, is anyone actually listening? It's almost like the boy who cried

    But back to the real subject, and that is improving one's photography.
    There is an old expression of... you can please everyone, so you need
    to please yourself. Or was that an old Ricky Nelson song? In any event,
    I'll just keep trying, picking out what I feel are the better pictures
    from the ones I already took, and going out for new pictures with more
    knowledge and awareness than I did before.

    It was discussed before, but admittedly I think one of my biggest
    problems in my current mindset. And that is, I'm always in a rush. Of
    course, maybe that's the product of living in California all my life
    and being on 19+ cruises. I obviously need to slow down, and not only
    smell the flowers, but to see the world in a different light - no pun

    And for those who may not like my work and efforts no matter what I do
    anyway, well, you can't please everyone. Besides, I think some will
    just find fault simply because they can. They would have probably told
    Ansel Adams he should be shooting in color.

    John Sisker - Huntington Beach, California
    Pose & Go Photography

    Soon after that when some here tried to help he took most attempts at
    help as a personal affront. He tried to be clever and introduce strange
    and childish games, but most of all he did his best to use this group
    promote his business cruise business. Less than a year later after his
    true nature was revealed he was gone and will not be missed.

    For those who care to be reminded of the blight on this group John
    Sisker was, I give you:
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    Savageduck, Feb 5, 2012
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    Pete A Guest

    I prefer to think of it as showing dexterity rather than a character defect :)
    Pete A, Feb 6, 2012
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    otter Guest

    Miguel, good luck with your future endeavors. I have to say, I
    haven't seen much improvement, but you are not unique in this.

    Some pictures WERE better than others, but then following those, you
    immediately forgot everything you learned, or so it seemed.

    When you buy your "professional" camera, perhaps you could also buy a
    tripod, or monopod. If you could take ONE video using a tripod or
    monopod, that would be a vast improvement. You have been given this
    advice over and over, and yet you completely ignore it. Failing a
    tripod, if you can find some way to brace the camera so your videos
    don't shake, that would help. But you don't do that, either.
    otter, Feb 6, 2012
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