That SONY HDV camera just got more useful...

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by John Savard, Dec 31, 2005.

  1. John Savard

    John Savard Guest

    I read a current magazine article about SONY's new HDV camera. $1200
    street in the U.S., and over $2,600 at a discount store in Canada. It
    said that it didn't come with (high-def ?) video-editing software unlike
    a typical consumer camcorder - AND that the cheapest high-def
    video-editing software costs $699 - U.S..

    But I see that version 10 of the Pinnacle Systems video editing software
    for the consumer is $129 and includes this capability.

    John Savard
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    John Savard, Dec 31, 2005
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    Nappy Guest

    save your money John. It ain't ready for prime time.
     
    Nappy, Dec 31, 2005
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  3. John Savard

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    Krazy Kanuck, Dec 31, 2005
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  4. If Studio 10 is really what you want, I would wait for now until they have
    made the right patches, because many many people have reported problems
    with it.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Dec 31, 2005
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  5. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Ulead's Video Studio 9 does HDV editing and is the lowest cost option I am
    aware of. It works extremely well.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Dec 31, 2005
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  6. Well, it might be the cheapest PC solution.

    On the Mac side, iMovie HD does HDV with aplomb and it comes FREE with
    every Mac.
     
    William Davis, Jan 1, 2006
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  7. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Bill,

    You are correct. I use both. And iMovie is not only free, but is a
    remarkably competent program, both on my dual G5 as well as on my wife's
    MacMini. The fact that I can do HDV editing with free software on a MacMini
    is still astonishing to me, given it's tiny price and size. For those who
    own Macs, it is indeed the lowest cost option available for HDV editing.

    On the other hand.........the HDV rendering on the Mac (regardless of
    hardware and software) is horrendously slow. In particular, rendering on the
    top of the line Final Cut Studio Pro HD on a dual 2.5 GHz G5 is pitiful.
    iMovie is also slow beyond belief when it comes to rendering.

    Ulead Video Studio 9 on a cheap single 3.2 GHz Dell (a $400 computer)
    renders HDV at (at least) 10 times the speed of the dual processor G5 Mac.
    It also (remarkably) renders HDV much faster than Sony Vegas 6.0, Power
    Director 5, or any other PC-based HDV solution I am aware of.

    Thus.....the bottom line in my view in price and performance in Ulead Video
    Studio 9 on a PC. I love the Mac to pieces, but it just doesn't cut it in
    getting the rendered results done. I still routinely use the dual G5 with
    FCP Studio, Motion, DVD Studio Pro, etc. for some jobs since the quality is
    truly outstanding. I just walk away from the Mac and come back 16-20 hours
    later (literally) when the rendering is done.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jan 1, 2006
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  8. Smarty -

    I see you are still raving about the Ulead VS9. Does it do regular SD
    editing as well? Real time preview? Do you need any additional plug-ins
    to do HDV, like the Premiere does? Is there a DVD authoring program with
    it, or do you use a stand-alone? I imagine the Blu Ray DVD authoring
    will be a future product.

    GAry Eickmeier
     
    Gary Eickmeier, Jan 2, 2006
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  9. John Savard

    Nappy Guest

    Premiere Pro dos not need an additional plugin to do HDV. YOu can add the
    Cineform plugin.. it is supposed to speed things up but I found it useless.
     
    Nappy, Jan 2, 2006
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  10. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Gary,

    Ulead VS9 has earned my enthusiasm only because the expensive alternatives
    like Vegas and Final Cut Studio Pro HD are just so slow. I spent (literally)
    years bashing Ulead since their software was just so awfully buggy, and
    crashed in the midst of doing productive work without leaving any way to
    recover. Now they seem to have a clean, reliable, and (most important)
    extremely FAST product, and I am among their strongest supporters.

    To answer your questions:

    1. Yes it does regular SD.
    2. Yes it does real time preview (including full screen, which neither Vegas
    or FCP do without extra displays !!)
    3. Yes you do need an HDV plug-in, but Ulead has been giving it away at no
    extra charge with their $79 purchase of VS9
    4. And, finally, yes, it also includes a DVD authoring program (admittedly a
    weak one).

    Sorry if I have sounded overly zealous. It is delightful to finally find
    something which works quickly on a single P4 box without a lot of expense
    and complexity. I will also add that VS9 has a pretty lame cuts editing and
    trimming mode. I prefer to use VideoReDo now for HDV editing, but VS9 works
    fine if you get the hang of it.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jan 2, 2006
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  11. Or alternately, they (and Pinnacle) have software that runs
    great in certain situations, and crashes everywhere else.
    You may have just hit the lucky combination for this version.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jan 2, 2006
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  12. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Richard,

    Are you aware of any "situations" where Ulead VS9 crashes? If so, can you
    document them?

    Thanks,

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jan 2, 2006
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  13. You can use groups.google.com to search r.v.p and r.v.d
    for anecdotes yourself. I have no dog in this fight.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jan 2, 2006
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  14. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Richard,

    Your prior post says that the software "runs great in certain situations,
    and crashes everywhere else".

    I merely asked you to prove your prior statement.

    I have personally found UV9 to be absolutely rock-solid, (which is very
    surprising for Ulead given their past history). You offered an opposing
    view, but are unwilling to prove it.

    Is you starting that obnoxious trolling again......???


    Smarty



    Smarty" wrote ...
    You can use groups.google.com to search r.v.p and r.v.d
    for anecdotes yourself. I have no dog in this fight.
     
    Smarty, Jan 2, 2006
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    Richard Crowley, Jan 2, 2006
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  16. You are the one who said (and I quote)...
    "I spent (literally) years bashing Ulead since their software
    was just so awfully buggy, and crashed ..."

    I'll leave you to (apparently) argue with yourself.
    This should be entertaining.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jan 2, 2006
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  17. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Richard,

    It is so totally your style to make stupid and illogical comments. You have
    now done it once again. Yes, Richard, I did draw a comparison between their
    earlier buggy software and their current stable software.

    What does this have to do whatsoever with your unsupported claim that their
    current software is "great in certain situations, and crashes everywhere
    else"? I am merely asking you to prove your point.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jan 2, 2006
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    Nappy Guest

    He doesn't have to prove anything anymore than you do. You did say you spent
    years bashing it.

    As have I.

    When someone makes a statement in a newsgroup about a particular app..
    asking them to prove it is rediculous.

    And yes, as you opined, you did sound overly zealous.
     
    Nappy, Jan 2, 2006
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  19. Somebody needs a nap.
    If you go back and read your posting and my response to it
    (the one you seem to be taking exception to), you will see that
    I was offering an alternative explanation for why some people
    find some software (Ulead & Pinnacle) to work perfectly while
    others can't figure where they're coming from.

    It is just a fact that some software is less robust and works
    just fine in a perfect environment (for it), but does not do as
    well in the average semi-messed up PC. I was observing that
    Ulead and Pinnacle show many symptoms of being that kind
    of "finicky" software.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jan 2, 2006
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  20. John Savard

    Smarty Guest

    Nappy,

    I don't think it is "rediculous" to ask for proof of a sweeping statement
    which trashes a product. The Internet is filled with forums, product
    reviews, user opinions, and other testimonial and anecdotal opinions, and
    these opinions form the basis many if not most people use to make informed
    purchasing decisions. If I wanted to prove a particular product were strong
    or weak, I would point to these reviews, forums, and user opinions as proof
    of my opinion.

    I apologize for being overly zealous about this product. It is refreshing to
    find something which works so well and so inexpensively.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jan 3, 2006
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