The demise of film cameras - I don't like it

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Dick R., Jan 20, 2006.

  1. Dick R.

    Verdoux Guest

    Have you ever heard of this little continent called Africa? Oh, and for
    the record, I never said no electricity; I said it would sometimes be hard
    to find electricity.
    Verdoux, Jan 24, 2006
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    Jeremy Guest

    I was commenting on habits of consumers in industrialized, Western nations,
    not people in the Third World. Consumers in the US are abandoning film--and
    digital imaging serves their purposes better than film ever did. Once
    computers reached critical mass with home users, film's days for consumer
    uses were numbered.

    Consumers aren't going to give up their ability to email photos of the new
    baby, to make prints right from their docking stations, to create slideshows
    for viewing on their computer monitors just to get what is, for them, some
    theoretical quality advantage with film. Kodak has replaced the Instamatic
    and the Disk Camera with the low-end Easy Share digital cameras, and the
    consumers are getting better images than they did in their film days.

    Face it--for CONSUMER applications, film has become a dinosaur. Who is
    going to bother with a film camera, when all their friends, family and
    neighbors are shooting digital, and seeing the images right away?

    Let 'em shoot film cameras in Africa, but the American consumer has moved
    Jeremy, Jan 24, 2006
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  3. LOL! Can you even find Africa on a globe?

    It's not a question of "backwardness", but what's
    useful/needed/practical/affordable. In most areas of the world, digital
    is none of these.

    In your crusade to discredit film at all costs, you'll probably next
    claim that the Martians gave up film 100,000 years ago...
    (BTW: What IS driving you???)
    Chris Loffredo, Jan 24, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    I don't think many areas of the world are as backwards as some would
    I would be willing to bet that Africa, which is many diverse Countries,
    has mostly switched to digital by now.

    Scott W, Jan 24, 2006
  5. Dick R. Guest

    Whats the argument there, Admitedly the desert argument is a bit
    enuous, few nights in the words, or camera that sits in glove box is a
    better one, but you just wasted a KB of web space with that! Thats why
    they invented dry plates, so you can develope the film, weeks months
    later, so it can wait till you do get to a minilab.
, Jan 24, 2006
  6. I believe you can get AA batteries where ever you
    can get anything. A digital and AA's may be the
    best choice for really remote use.
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 25, 2006
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    Jeremy Guest

    My comments were focused squarely at consumers in western, industrialized
    countries, who are abandoning film in droves. For the typical consumer--not
    advanced amateur or professional, just the consumer--the advantages of
    digital over film are compelling. I am not on a crusade to "discredit all costs." I merely see the handwriting on the wall. This is not
    about me at all.
    Jeremy, Jan 25, 2006
  8. I wasn't responding to you, but to Scott W, who really is a rabid
    anti-film crusader...
    : )
    Chris Loffredo, Jan 25, 2006
  9. Dick R.

    Verdoux Guest

    For really remote locations, a mechanical camera is the best one. I bet
    that it's much easier to find film than memory cards in places like that.
    Verdoux, Jan 25, 2006
  10. You are probably right: A plain-prism Nikon F2, a 'Black Cat' exposure
    guide and a couple bricks of Kodachrome. Close to impossible to find
    'real film' in the States, let alone downtown Kyzyl.
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 25, 2006
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    Bob Hickey Guest

    devices, were getting any pictures at all. They don't seem to have any
    interest in buying film, or learning to load any. Any store i've been in
    seems to have a bigger rack for disposables than film.I can't believe all
    those people don't have cameras. Some people will only use a camera till it
    needs batteries. I use my wife's P&S Nikon for film tests. I load, she
    pushes the button. Never load the same brand twice. Agfa Optima wins hands
    down. Too bad. Bob Hickey
    Bob Hickey, Jan 26, 2006
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    I think the entire usage of disposable cameras is probably a very
    confusing concept for many photography enthusiasts, and certainly lots
    of people on USENET. If you read through some studies, like from PMAI,
    you will find that of homes that have cameras, nearly half of those
    "cameras" are cheap disposables. That sort of information is why that
    market continues.
    Gordon Moat, Jan 26, 2006
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    Bob Hickey Guest

    the number of people who perfected their technique w/ digital is very small,
    since any kind of worth while camera is a recent improvement. No body
    changes their whole style for a toy camera. And anybody who changes to
    digital has to have good reasons. Bob Hickey
    Bob Hickey, Jan 26, 2006
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    That_Rich Guest

    Agree. I also liked the Ultra.
    There seems to be a pattern forming here. Every time I find a film I
    really like it is discontinued within a year or two. Some of the more
    recent examples are...

    Konica Impressa
    Kodak Supra
    Kodak Portra B&W
    Kodak TC400N
    Agfa Optima
    Agfa Ultra.

    I have reluctantly been using Kodak Ultra... I like the film but way
    overpriced. Unfortunately the film scanner I use has difficulty with
    most Fuji products although I have several rolls of Reala and Superia
    that I will try again.


    That_Rich, Jan 26, 2006
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    no_name Guest

    Many working photographers OTOH are not, despite embracing digital.
    no_name, Jan 27, 2006
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    no_name Guest

    Don't know about Africa, but in Iraq memory cards were a lot easier to
    find. They didn't even have film in the PX when I got to a base large
    enough to have a PX. But they had digital cameras and memory cards.

    Every local merchant I encountered had cheap digital cameras and memory
    cards. The country was flooded with them.

    I didn't get to go into the one actual camera store I saw while I was
    over there. It wasn't a friendly part of town. I don't think there WAS a
    friendly part in that town.

    Thinking back, there was one base in Kuwait I had to go to before we
    went up-country (to retrieve a truck and its load of equipment) that may
    have had a minilab in the PX.
    no_name, Jan 27, 2006
  17. I've heard that camel urine makes an excellent developer.........
    William Graham, Jan 27, 2006
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    Jeremy Guest

    But I specifically restricted my comments to CONSUMERS in Industrialized,
    Western Nations--the kind of consumers that own home computers (and that own
    homes . . .)

    That population used to be a big chunk of Kodak's camera, film and
    photofinishing sales. That population has pretty much dumped film and will
    remain digital--and there are good reasons for that.

    Pros have their own unique requirements, and they know best which to use,
    and when. I was not commenting on professional users.
    Jeremy, Jan 27, 2006
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    Jeremy Guest

    You been drinkin' developer again?
    Jeremy, Jan 27, 2006
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    no_name Guest

    A good developer needs to be pretty alkaline (Dektol PH ~ 11). Camel
    urine normally has a PH in the range of 6 - 7 (weakly acidic to neutral).

    Maybe if it was a really, really sick camel.
    no_name, Jan 27, 2006
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