The first class of my photography course!

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Andrew McCall, Jan 30, 2004.

  1. Andrew McCall

    colm Guest

    No way! For best results, teach them UNIX :)

    Colm
     
    colm, Feb 1, 2004
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  2. On the Usenet, one presents a section of the exchange so that those who are
    not directly involved can follow along. It's just 'good manners', I think,
    to do so when having an exchange in a public forum. The issue, then, is to
    determine what section of the exchange is relevant, and exclude the rest.

    Bill Tallman
     
    William D. Tallman, Feb 1, 2004
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  3. Andrew McCall

    Nick Zentena Guest


    The reason to quote is there is NO reason to believe any single message
    will make it anyplace with usenet. With out quoting it can be impossible to
    tell what anybody is talking about. So it's more then just good manners.
    Quoting is pretty much required. Not only will messages get lost but some
    times replies show up before the quoted message. Each usenet message should
    be able to stand on it's own.

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Feb 1, 2004
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  4. street shooter wrote:

    Excellent! We thank you.
    That's recommended, of course. I guess the Miss Manners version is to
    indicate what is not directly included by a simple <snip> on its own line,
    which allows one to indicate to whom the response is made without any
    enclosure. But Miss Manners is a nitpicker... <grin>

    Aha. That explains.. something, I guess... I've never used a web client
    to post, so I've no idea what restrictions apply. I guess I should try
    that sometime!

    Fascinating character. Did 'photograms', I believe they were called, back
    in the early part of last century. French, IIRC....

    Aha. So the majority of students are coming in with some understanding of
    what's happening, and the rest can grab coat-tails as necessary. That
    makes sense. Wonder what sort of course the OP is taking...

    OP? If you're reading this, can you comment?

    Good exchange!

    Bill Tallman
     
    William D. Tallman, Feb 1, 2004
    #44
  5. Damn!!!

    I *knew* I was waiting for the right moment to take some photo courses!
    Now, what was the name of that school again? Eastern Canada, you say?

    ROAD TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!

    Bill Tallman
     
    William D. Tallman, Feb 1, 2004
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  6. Andrew McCall

    Deathwalker Guest

    Most managers know **** all apart from how to manage paper work. When they
    then leave the office and tell people how to do things instead of just what
    to do........
     
    Deathwalker, Feb 1, 2004
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  7. Andrew McCall

    parv Guest

    Oh, i do not at all doubt the purpose & usefulness of quoting in
    a public forum. I think you both missed the context.

    My point was why create a 'top post' in personal email by quoting
    the text when "presumably the persons involved are aware of the
    context", something like which Bill T wrote earlier in
    <> ...

    When answering an email to a single individual, top posting has
    arguable advantage, as the sendee presumably already has the context
    of the exchange and can simply ignore the rest without scrolling
    down.


    - Parv
     
    parv, Feb 1, 2004
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  8. Andrew McCall

    Lionel Guest

    True story: I actually did my first runway fashion shoot at age 17.
    (Admittedly, it was a fashion student event, open to the general
    public...)
    Yeah, we /all/ believe you, Alan. ;)
     
    Lionel, Feb 2, 2004
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  9. Andrew McCall

    mike Guest

    When I did B+W photog at art school we got to work with like minded females
    in close confined spaces in the dark. The one female student who was known
    to have "groped" a few male students in the darkroom did progress to a
    permanent relationship with the graphic design lecturer and now years later
    is the head of the Photographic department of the same art college.

    I don't know what the moral of the story is, but I'm sure this will amuse
    someone out there and hopefully lead to more students taking an interest in
    the good old darkroom "techniques" experienced by others.

    Mike k
     
    mike, Feb 2, 2004
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  10. Andrew McCall

    Lionel Guest

    I never heard any stories of extra-curricular activity in the darkroom
    of my first highschool, but there were a few rumours about the darkroom
    of my next school. Mainly centred around a couple of the teachers
    though, rather than any of the students.
    That fucking your way to the top /can/ work?
    Indeed. ;)
     
    Lionel, Feb 2, 2004
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  11. Nope... I make em start with binary math, then hexadecimal, then ascii, then
    we discuss the concept of data and instructions, then we introduce four bit
    machine language instructions , and then we do the fabled "HELLO WORLD" in
    binary, then hex with intrepreter <introducing the concept of an
    interpreter>, then interpreted BASIC <yes!!!>, then we introduce compilers
    and the concept of libraries and they do the greeting again in compiled
    BASIC, then I introduce the concept of sorting, grouping, brute force,
    bubbles, etc... I have them write a sorting program in FORTRAN then COBOL,
    followed by UNIX <yup grep and awk all day long>, then the C languages,
    PASCAL, ADA, etc., etc...
    Anyway, you get the picture <those of you still concious at this point> And
    by the time they are introduced to VISUAL BASIC FOR WINDOWS, those who are
    still left, reflexively vomit on the VB FOR DUMMIES manual...
    denny
     
    Dennis O'Connor, Feb 2, 2004
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  12. Andrew McCall

    Lionel Guest

    This is all fine.
    But why BASIC, of all languages? If they can cope with machine code &
    assembler, they should cope just fine with C. Teaching them BASIC is
    just plain sadistic.
     
    Lionel, Feb 2, 2004
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  13. Andrew McCall

    Bandicoot Guest

    I think this is the most intelligent answer. For posts to Usenet, the
    message must stand-alone and be intelligible to the whole intended audience,
    so putting in one's comments in the logical context of whatever previous
    comments they apply to is the most helpful method. But when replying to
    email, the audience altready knows exactly what is being replied to and so
    if the original message is included at all it is often just as a convenient
    reminder. An exception is when replying to a long email full of lots of
    specific questions, when a 'Usenet-style' reply may be easiest to follow.

    So that's my personal take: bottom / in-line posting for Usenet replies, and
    top posting, usually, for email.

    In both cases, it is about doing what is most helpful to the intended
    audience.




    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Feb 2, 2004
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  14. Andrew McCall

    Bandicoot Guest

    [Good stuff SNIPPED]
    Well put Bill.

    I paint(badly) as well as take photographs, and a lot of my teaching is done
    in workshops that have painters and photographers together (we split of some
    sessions, and do some things together.)

    I tend to feel that a painter's inspiration may be the thing they are
    looking at (combined with whatever relevant ideas and experiences they have
    in their head, of course) and their raw materials are media and substrate.

    For a photographer the scene they are looking at falls into the raw material
    category rather than the inspiration one. The good photographer takes the
    two raw materials of the scene and the light that is falling on it, and uses
    her/his inspiratoin and skill to turn that raw material into an image. That
    is where the 'art' comes in: using the scene to make something that is a
    photograph - a 'message' written with light - rahter than just a photocopy.


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Feb 2, 2004
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  15. ummm, ya mean the trek through base to the mod wasn't sadistic? jeez, I'm a
    failure!!!!
    denny
     
    Dennis O'Connor, Feb 2, 2004
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  16. Andrew McCall

    parv Guest

    Snipped too much...

    Those are Bill T's words not mine which the attribution may lead one to
    believe otherwise.


    - parv
     
    parv, Feb 2, 2004
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  17. Andrew McCall

    Lionel Guest

    Hell no! - I thoroughly approve of that part.
     
    Lionel, Feb 3, 2004
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  18. Andrew McCall

    Bandicoot Guest

    Apologies,


    Peter
     
    Bandicoot, Feb 4, 2004
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