The joys of "hand inspection"

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Alan Browne, Mar 24, 2006.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Following the recomendations of a few people here ( rpe.m-f & 35mm) I
    visited Penn camera on 18th / I street between the last meeting and
    dinner. They almost came down to the transaction level of $1799 for the
    9000 ED, but only came down to 1900, a measely 5%. No deal.

    So, on to the fridge and bought 5 rolls each of 100G, Velvia 100F and
    Velvia 100 (120 format). On that they gave me 30% off without being
    asked. Go figure.

    Tues, left the company dinner (before my scallops were served, damnit.)
    and caught a taxi to Dulles.

    There, I asked the airline (UAL representing Air Canada) if I should put
    the film in my checked in baggage or take it through the security gate.
    They advised security gate. I get there and ask for a hand inspection
    and hand over the film.

    So I go through the machine and on the other side a young lady was
    waiting for me.

    She opened the boxes, one by one. Swabbed them and put the swab in the
    trace detector. Then tore open the roll and visually inspected it.
    Then put the roll back in the destroyed plasticized metal wrapper.

    One by one. 15 rolls. It took 10 - 15 minutes and now I have to
    carefully wrap them all up with desacant for a couple days before
    putting them in the freezer ...

    Sigh. Next time, I'll mail them home, or buy locally. It just seemed
    like a good opportunity...

    Alan Browne, Mar 24, 2006
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    rolandberry Guest

    Think yourself lucky she didn't open up each roll and hold it up to the
    rolandberry, Mar 24, 2006
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    2 Guest

    Yer profiled. Learn to live with it.
    2, Mar 24, 2006
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    That_Rich Guest

    I always remove the film from the boxes and plastic containers then
    place the rolls in a zip lock bag.
    Takes less than 5 minutes for TSA to swab 20 rolls. They *seem* to
    appreciate that I make it easy on them.

    And yes... I am on the "hit list". I haven't been through a security
    checkpoint in NA without being asked to "take a seat" in 5 years, film
    or not.
    Oh well, if that's what it takes to get my film hand checked it's
    worth it.

    That_Rich, Mar 24, 2006
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    Clyde Guest

    At least you flew out of Dulles instead of National...asking for hand
    inspection there probably triggers a cavity search!
    Clyde, Mar 24, 2006
  6. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    120 comes in foil/plastic sealed wrappers. (not plastic cansiters) She
    tore them all open. They don't "un-tear".

    As to the swabbing, she made little effort to do things efficiently.
    She could have opened everything (or let me do it, which she wouldn't
    allow) and do things in an overlapped manner... instead it was one great
    example of how not to run a production line...
    I get that about 1 in 10 flights including a couple months ago.

    Alan Browne, Mar 24, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Return airfares:

    Montreal -> BWI: $ 500
    Montreal -> Dulles: $ 850
    Montreal -> Reagan: $1300 (National)

    Difference covers a lot of taxis...

    Alan Browne, Mar 24, 2006
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    uw wayne Guest

    It never fogged....I put the film canisters in a lead pouch, put that
    one in another lead pouch, place it back in my camera bag (on top) and
    let them zap the bag. Never had a problem. At least not yet. Of course
    if it does not work in three weeks when I get back from an underwater
    shoot, I'll weep!
    uw wayne, Mar 24, 2006
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    Bob G Guest

    Yet another reason to go digital!
    Bob G, Mar 24, 2006
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Oh sure, none of us would mind a low wage TSA person handling our $30k
    medium format digital back. :p
    Gordon Moat, Mar 24, 2006
  11. That's really a shame. I was hoping when the federalized the inspectors
    that this kind of thing wouldn't happen, but it's the same mindless
    people who can't think.

    I know people who've raved about one particular inspector recognizing
    out of the ordinary stuff and making a thoughtful decision but it's a
    number countable on one hand.
    Phil Stripling, Mar 24, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    I'm wondering if perhaps they do this in this way ONLY to make you think
    twice before asking for a hand inspection...simply to irritate you into
    skipping it.
    It wouldn't surprise me a bit.
    --On the other hand...the people they are hiring for these jobs aren't
    exactly 100% top-notch folk... :(
    Mark², Mar 24, 2006
  13. Don't be so sure. With film you are limited to a few zaps per roll, but
    a digicam may see hundreds over the years.

    The problesm is: digital detectors don't like x-rays. No electronic
    circuit does. Each zap causes a little damage, and the accumulated
    effect increases noise level.

    -- Lassi
    Lassi Hippeläinen, Mar 24, 2006
  14. I don't have any references that are specific to camera detectors, but
    the basic physics is the same as with any other eletronic device.

    There are radiation-hardened components, but they are expensive when
    compared to ordinary chips. They are mostly used in military and
    aerospace eletronics, where price isn't the main issue.

    -- Lassi
    Lassi Hippeläinen, Mar 24, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Do you have a reference for this claim?
    Mark², Mar 24, 2006
  16. I guess thats because your flying into and out of restricted airspace.
    & As we all know Montreal is a terrorism haven ;^)
    The things we hate most in life often turn out to be a mirror image
    of ourselves. But if your going to hate someone Matt Clara says its
    ok to hate him.

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    Greg \Blank\ - Lizard King., Mar 24, 2006
  17. 30k is about what they make to start, plus they are government employees
    and probably get better benefits than thou :^)
    The things we hate most in life often turn out to be a mirror image
    of ourselves. But if your going to hate someone Matt Clara says its
    ok to hate him.

    Findmedirectly - ""
    Greg \Blank\ - Lizard King., Mar 24, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    I think you are going to have to come up with some reference that the
    xrays used in the inspection machines can cause damage to electrons as
    this seems pretty far fetched to me. Consider that nobody worries
    about putting electronic devices in their luggage and the luggage gets
    a huge dose of xrays compared to carry on bags.

    Scott W, Mar 24, 2006
  19. I've heard about this more than one, and specifically about 120 film.
    In fact a recent guest abandoned her unused film here rather than fly
    home with it.

    Is there any precedent AT ALL for explosives disguised as film? Or is
    it just that both 120 film and sticks of dynamite are cylindrical?

    (Actually, something that shape is the LAST thing terrorists would try
    to bring on board. What do we think they are, stupid?)
    Scott Schuckert, Mar 24, 2006
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    Walter Banks Guest

    My wife on a business trip a couple weeks ago "beeped" the metal detector
    with a artificial hip, a common occurrence. They take 15 or twenty minutes
    to determine that the metal isn't loaded and eventually send her on her way.

    She gets into her hotel room and opens her purse and looks in disbelief
    the 6 inch paring knife she took to work a few days earlier to cut up
    some fruit for lunch is setting there looking up at her. The worst thing is
    this is the second time in the last year that this has happening undiscovered.

    Walter Banks, Mar 24, 2006
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