The Perfect Camera

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Justin Thyme, Oct 31, 2005.

  1. Justin Thyme

    DuffMomma Guest

    my m6TTL has a black knob, but im not 100% sure if its plastic
    can anyone conform?
     
    DuffMomma, Nov 1, 2005
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    Bob Hickey Guest

    I would like a built-in motor with a
    crank, for when it jams, and I wouldn't have to pay for it. Also a level in
    the viewfinder. That's all. I had a late model camera a couple of years ago
    and I could'nt believe the level of aggrivation achieved by this thing. It
    took longer to figure how to turn everthing off than to take any pictures.
    Bob Hickey
     
    Bob Hickey, Nov 2, 2005
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  3. Another advantage of the crank is that it is silent. There are places where
    I can't use my F5, because the motor advance noise is too great. I can
    rewind the film with a crank, but there is no way to advance the film
    manually, and it is quite loud.
     
    William Graham, Nov 2, 2005
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    That_Rich Guest

    A level in the viewfinder... absolute genius!!!
    I'll take two.

    RP©
     
    That_Rich, Nov 2, 2005
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    Bob Hickey Guest

    address of the repair center Bob Hickey
     
    Bob Hickey, Nov 2, 2005
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Great to read that! I still have a nicely working and well maintained
    Nikon FM. Plus I still use it for work. It has been a reliable camera,
    even when I have abused it or dropped it.
     
    Gordon Moat, Nov 2, 2005
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    I mostly agree on that, though too light a body would be tougher for slow
    shutter hand held use. While I suppose plastic survives abuse fairly well, I
    still prefer a mostly metal bodied camera. Just seems like a higher build
    quality.
    I really don't care for any image stabilization, though I should mention I
    don't have much need to use long lenses. I have also done very well with some
    special hand held photography techniques I have developed the last few years. I
    also don't like autofocus, and greatly prefer that there are no electronic bits
    inside the lenses. About the only exception I would make are electronic leaf
    shutters inside the lens, though that is more a medium format thing.
    I sort of go the other extreme. In that regard, a Hasselblad Xpan is nearly the
    "Perfect Camera". I could also do well with a medium format camera, since roll
    film provides an ease of use not too much different than 35 mm.
    I could actually do without metering, though I acknowledge that aperture
    priority exposure works nicely. Flash metering is something I prefer to do
    without much rushing, and using my Sekonic. I cannot see any reasonably small
    camera incorporating what a modern Sekonic meter (or Gossen) could accomplish,
    and still remain a reasonably compact size.
    Yuck . . . hate the built-in flash idea. If ever there was something that
    screamed out "amateur", it was the inclusion of a pop-up flash on an SLR. The
    1/250 sync is one thing, though I would gladly give that up to get a rear
    current sync. Of course, there is a do it yourself adapter that would allow any
    flash to become rear curtain sync (instructions on RIT website). Given a leaf
    shutter in the lenses, flash sync can happen at all shutter speeds.
    I still have good eyesight, and I hate autofocus. My preference is manual
    focus, though in an SLR one nice to have feature is focus screens that can be
    changed.
    Automated Scene Modes?!?!?!?! Okay, I take back my earlier comment about pop up
    flash units . . . this is another of the things that screams out amateur,
    nearly to the point of screaming out clueless. Why in the world would anyone
    want a whole host of manual controls, and then request scene modes?

    I think the ultimate expression of a camera starts with one that has no user
    manual, because it would not need to explain itself. Then it would be so
    ergonomic and intuitive, that it became an extension of your hands and eyes.
    Oddly enough, the only cameras that really accomplish this require no battery
    power. Make what you will of that.
     
    Gordon Moat, Nov 2, 2005
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    nathantw Guest

    Nikon FM3A
     
    nathantw, Nov 2, 2005
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    DD Guest

    <snip>

    The perfect camera to me would be a Nikon F100 that has a full frame,
    16MP interchangeable digital back.
     
    DD, Nov 3, 2005
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  10. If I had a too-light body, I'd be perfectly willing to have a lead
    weight I attached to the bottom with a tripod screw for when I needed
    more mass to reduce hand-held shake. It could be shaped to match the
    body contours, just make it slightly taller (and it wouldn't need to
    be very much; lead is *dense*).
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Nov 6, 2005
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  11. I've got a couple of FMs and an FM2 still, but they're not the perfect
    camera. I got an N90 in 1994 based on a weekend of rental and
    testing; autofocus helped me get photos I couldn't get otherwise.

    But the perfect camera was the Leica M3, anyway; I thought everybody
    knew that? :). (Still sometimes regret not replacing mine when it
    was stolen; I got my first FM when replacing a Pentax screw-mount
    system and an M3 that got stolen).
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Nov 6, 2005
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    Sounds like a lead vertical hand grip . . . should get a few takers out there. Of
    course, if a heavy camera was the best way for steadier hand held shots, there
    might be more RB/RZ67 cameras in use.

    Reminds me that I read about a famous movie director doing a special commercial
    shoot for Sony Playstation. One aspect involved following the action down a narrow
    hallway. It was also that directors first usage of only digital video, instead of
    the more usual motion film cameras. In order to get the shots steadier on the
    miniDV camera used in the tight shots, a lead weight was screwed onto the bottom
    of the camera. Really a very simple low tech idea.

    I don't think the Nikon FM is the perfect camera either. Having used the Leica M3,
    I am more inclined to agree with you on that camera . . . and that was until this
    year. In the spring, I got to try out a Leica M7 0.85 with 90 mm and the 1.25x
    viewfinder magnifier. I really have to thank the Leica reps for that tryout,
    because I know think that combination is the perfect small camera. Now if only
    ALPA had reps that would be willing to let me try out their cameras. ;-)
     
    Gordon Moat, Nov 7, 2005
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    The perfect camera was made by Deardorff.


    : Just for fun, I thought I'd post what I would consider the perfect camera.
    : Obviously since no one camera is perfect for everyone, others will have
    : different ideas.

    : Body - small and light, but solidly constructed. About the size of Pentax
    : MZ-50/60 etc. Motor drive, capable of several frames/sec. Optional battery
    : grip. While I wouldn't care too much on the type of battery it takes
    : standard, the battery grip should take AA's. The battery grip should be like
    : the Konica-Minolta grips which don't require the battery door to be
    : removed - having a slot for the door to fit into.

    : Lens Mount - Since this is the perfect camera, I'd be prepared to change
    : lenses to get it, so the actual mount type doesn't really matter, of course
    : I'd like it to be Pentax K mount or a variation on that. Perhaps it would
    : take a proprietary mount with a short registration and wide opening so that
    : most makes of lenses could be used with an adapter. The lens mount would of
    : course have to support fast focussing, image stabilisation, and
    : communication of information such as focal length, focus distance etc. Canon
    : EOS is probably the closest current lens mount to do what is desired.

    : Recording Media - 35mm film of course. But it would have an option to record
    : half-frame 35mm. It would also have an optional digital back. On the gap
    : between frames, it would record the focal length, focus distance, shutter
    : speed, aperture and exposure compensation. (hopefully all that would fit).
    : The camera would also wind on the film at the beginning of the roll, and
    : re-wind the film into the canister as photos are taken. There would also be
    : an option to use removable backs, so that you could have different films
    : loaded in each film back, swapping them as needed without risk of fogging.

    : Metering
    : It would of course have the normal centre weighted average metering and
    : multi-point spot metering. Good to around EV -1. It would also have a flash
    : meter, so when using studio flashes that don't support TTL flash metering,
    : you can fire a test flash and have the camera meter accordingly. It would
    : also give a white balance meter, to allow easier selection of appropriate
    : correction filters.

    : Flash - it would have a moderate inbuilt flash (GN 15 @ 100 ISO for
    : example), plus a hotshoe and PC socket. Synch would be at least 1/250sec.

    : Focussing
    : multi-point, fast AF, with single, continuous and predictive modes. Also
    : with a manual mode that works - ie, a viewfinder screen with the old
    : focussing aid prism. It would also offer easy depth of field preview.

    : Shooting modes
    : Full Manual, Aperture Priority, Depth of Field priority, Shutter Priority,
    : plus the normal complement of portrait, sport, landscape etc auto programs.
    : Shutter and Aperture settings would appear in the viewfinder. Also it would
    : have 2 dials, allowing shutter and aperture to be dialled in easier.

    : Misc
    : Continuous Shooting at selectable speeds. It would also offer the ability to
    : automatically take exposures at preset intervals (up to an hour between
    : intervals). Exposure bracketing of 1/3 and 1 stop. Bulb mode, T setting
    : (push shutter to open, push again to release), choice of mechanical or
    : electronic remote releases. In the B and T settings the camera would use
    : mechanical interlocks for the shutter, so it could do virtually unlimited
    : length exposures without draining the battery. It would also offer timed
    : shutter of up to several hours. Unlimited multiple exposure option.

    : I've probably missed something in that list. A camera with all of those
    : features would probably have way too many buttons to be usable (or perhaps
    : it would have an LCD display and menu system a-la digital cameras. I don't
    : think that there is anything in my wishlist that is not achievable with
    : today's technology. I don't expect anyone to release a camera with these
    : features any time soon, and if they did I know it wouldn't be in my budget,
    : but it's still nice to dream :)




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    Frank Pittel, Nov 11, 2005
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    Cheesehead Guest

    Deardorff is nice. An adequate camera. ;)

    Every time I go into Midwest, those Dorfs, Tachs, & Ebonies and other
    LF gems are a
    sight to behold I especially like the polished nickel hardware on some
    of them.
    Jim's got a pretty Dorf sitting out right now. I make a good living,
    but not that good.
    So it's something to appreciate only.

    Right now I'm having fun finishing someone's 8x10 project. It was
    begun with a Horseman half-meter rail and and front & rear gears. (No
    block -- it was tapped & threaded insteaded) The rear that hold the
    film back is actually a Nielsen picture frame! I had to go to a frame
    shop to purchase an extra section in order to complete that part.

    Now I need two pieces. A decent bellows @ a decent price. (Those
    things can ravage a wallet.) And a piece of ground glass. Jim has
    some nice Canham glass that fits beautifully. I just need to get a
    price from him. (He's got only one left that has the etched [instead
    of drawn] grid.)

    Collin
     
    Cheesehead, Nov 11, 2005
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    Cheesehead Guest

    But what I'd really like is a Nagaoka 8x10 to match my 4x5.
    They're decently-built and very lightweight.
    And thin. Very thin.

    Collin
     
    Cheesehead, Nov 11, 2005
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  16. While once upon a time I might have agreed with both of you, I now think
    that the Rolleiflex 3003 is the (nearly) perfect camera (Think 35mm
    Hasselblad with interchangeable film magazines, 3fps motor drive, 2
    viewfinders, 3 shutter buttons, Zeiss lenses and general quirky charm)...

    Though other lighter combinations are also in the running for the
    "perfect camera".
     
    Chris Loffredo, Nov 12, 2005
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