The Photoshop Family

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Sandman, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Since a lot of people seem confused, this is what Adobe has to say about
    the matter:

    http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopfamily.html

    The Photoshop Family. Members:

    - Photoshop CC
    - Photoshop Lightroom
    - Photoshop Elements

    Depending on your photographic needs, one of the applications under the
    brand name Photoshop will probably serve it.

    (as an aside, Adobe lists Elements for $100, not $50).
     
    Sandman, Feb 12, 2014
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  2. Sandman

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Gee, I'll bet no one here knew that. Evidently, you don't know that
    Adobe Premiere Elements, Adobe Premiere Elements Pro, and Adobe
    Premiere Elements CC are also family members.
    Editing. Adobe does not offer a product that takes photographs.
    nospam's figure is not that far off. He's been pretty clear that
    Elements is available for less than Adobe's list price from other
    vendors. The "street price" varies by version, and it's not always
    necessary to have the most current version. Version 12 is available
    for under $60.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 12, 2014
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  3. Sandman

    Savageduck Guest

    ....and my copy of PSE9 obtained via a bundle with something or other I
    bought (Wacom, Roxio, or whatever) works fine on this Mac running OSX
    10.9.1. Effectively due to the bundle was for all intents and purposes
    free.
    ....and it is still not PS CS6/CC.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 12, 2014
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  4. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    apparently you missed where he said 'the photoshop family'.

    do try to keep up before you say more stupid stuff, although i suspect
    it cannot be stopped no matter what you do.
    semantic bullshit. everyone knows what he means.
    only stupid people pay full retail price.
     
    Guest, Feb 12, 2014
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  5. Sandman

    one Guest

    Actually, the page you cite also lists two other members - Photoshop Touch
    and Revel. They may be country cousins but they're still family.
     
    one, Feb 12, 2014
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  6. Sandman

    J. Clarke Guest

    I don't consider Premiere to be any more part of the "Photoshop" family
    than I do Acrobat or Dreamweaver.

    Premiere is a nonlinear video editor--very different function from what
    Photoshop does.
     
    J. Clarke, Feb 13, 2014
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  7. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Yep
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  8. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Evidently not.
    Thanks for sharing another incorrect statement, adding to your numerous
    incorrect statements that came before it. Lousy habit, but some people
    can't stop smoking and you can't stop being incorrect.
    Ah, semantics, the troll's last resort!
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  9. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Which no one has claimed it is. It *is* Photoshop though, and belongs to
    the Photoshop family of applications.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  10. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    No one does - Tony is just obfuscating.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  11. Sandman

    Savageduck Guest

    Nospam has.
    He clouded the issue by making his "Photoshop can be affordable at $50"
    remark. That started us down this argumentative sub-thread. Instead of
    saying that he meant "Photoshop Elements can be bought for $50 street
    price", he got into this idea that it is fine to call PSE, "Photoshop"
    because the word is used in its name and it mostly does what a full
    version of PS CS6/CC can do.
    It might be nit picking, but personally I have never referred to PSE as
    "Photoshop", always "PSE", "Photoshop Elements", or merely "Elements".
    Never "Photoshop". I have not recalled anybody other than nospam making
    that claim.
    As I stated above, no matter how much you camouflage it, nobody with
    any awareness of the Adobe product line, is going to refer to PSE as
    "Photoshop" and all that implies, but nospam did, and he refuses to
    back out of his claim gracefully.
     
    Savageduck, Feb 13, 2014
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  12. Sandman

    Tony Cooper Guest

    You and nospam are a hoot! Of course it's "semantics". If you had
    the foggiest idea of the meaning of the word "semantics", you wouldn't
    use it to defend your errors.

    Semantics is the branch of linguistics that studies the meaning of
    words. A full definition is "The branch of linguistics and logic
    concerned with meaning. There are a number of branches and subbranches
    of semantics, including formal semantics, which studies the logical
    aspects of meaning, such as sense, reference, implication, and logical
    form, lexical semantics, which studies word meanings and word
    relations, and conceptual semantics, which studies the cognitive
    structure of meaning."

    When you use "photographic" when you mean "editing", that's a clear
    misuse of "photographic". Semantically incorrect. It's not a nitpick
    or a troll to point out the error.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  13. Sandman

    Whisky-dave Guest


    Photo means or refers to light photoshop doesn't do anything with light unlike a camera, an enlarger or even a slide projector.
    Photoshop does NOT do things to or with light.
    Photoshop is the term adobe decided to use because most people took or senttheir photos to a shop for processing where a shop was a place that provided the service, and this service was NOT to use light but chemicals to remove other chemicals or change their struction to enable them to reflect or inhibite light for those that had used a device to capture light and couldn't or didn't want to process the images themselves.
    Adobe mis-used that word photo in it's true sense.
    Now Graphic converter got it right as far as product name discription goes.
    Most things called image editors got it right too.

    Now adobe called their movie editor premiere, why because it was the first,the best ?
     
    Whisky-dave, Feb 13, 2014
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  14. Sandman

    PeterN Guest

    According to the word from the deity in the western Baltic, everything
    you say is a troll.
     
    PeterN, Feb 13, 2014
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  15. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Which, of course, is far from saying "Photoshop CS6/CCC can be affordable
    at $50"

    Also, I would advice against putting quotation marks around a phrase and
    claiming it was said by someone when it wasn't. Quotation marks should only
    be used when the quote is verbatim. Nospam never said the above. He said
    something similar, yes, and probably with the same intent and meaning, but
    quotation marks means it's a quote, which this wasn't.
    No, Eric, Peter and Tony started "us" down this sub-thread. All they want
    is to argue. Had they asked him where he can get Photoshop for $50 and he
    would have linked to a page about Photoshop Elements pricing and then they
    would just have gone "Oh, you meant Elements, I just thought you meant CC",
    then there would be no sub thread. But that's far too reasonable for these
    guys, where arguing is the MO.
    Adobe does not sell a "Photoshop" product. They have Photoshop Elements,
    Photoshop Lightroom, Photoshop CC and Photoshop touch. Using just
    "Photoshop" does not inherently mean "Photoshop CC". I agree that that's
    what most people would *think* of when you say Photoshop, but that doesn't
    make the original comment incorrect or even disingenuous as some have
    suggested.
    As is your right. You may refer to it in whatever you wish, no one can tell
    you otherwise. In the same note - nospam may have *always* refered to
    Photoshop Elements as Photoshop for all we know, and this was just one of
    those times. There is nothing from Adobe or even logic that says that
    either position is "correct".
    I have, many I know that use Photoshop Elements refer to it as Photoshop,
    as well they should. It's like saying they shouldn't call their iPod nano
    an iPod since what "most" people consider to be the iPod is the iPod
    Classic.
    Lots of people refer to Photoshop Elements as just "Photoshop". I agree
    that it can be quite confusing when you're trying to help someone over the
    phone and they refer to Photoshop and your (or mine) preconcieved notion
    has us thinking "Photoshop CC" or some earlier version, but that doesn't
    make them incorrect. They launch the program and the splash screen says
    Adobe Photoshop.

    This has been yet another case of the resident trolls blowing something
    *way* out of proportions.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  16. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Typical troll reply.

    Your reply concerned semantics in a post that argued nothing about the
    meaning of words. You didn't respond to argue, agree or add a comment to
    the point that was being made in the post, only to post a semantic remark
    about a possible error I made in my post.

    This is the trolls last resort, when he can no longer argue the central
    point. The next step is to step away from what was actually written and
    start name calling and ad hominem's.
    Incorrect. Even if I would agree that "photography" does not include the
    processing of photographs (which I don't), it's still a semantic reply to a
    statement that didn't concern the defintion of use of a specific word -
    clearly making it a nitpic and in your case, trolling.
     
    Sandman, Feb 13, 2014
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  17. Sandman

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Now *there* is an error in syntax.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  18. Sandman

    Tony Cooper Guest

    That may be what you advice [sic], but there are other uses for
    quotation marks. There are the "apologetic quotation marks" which are
    used to call attention to ironic or apologetic words. An example of
    this would be me writing "There are "never" any errors in nospam's
    posts" or "Sandman is an "expert" in English grammar and usage.".
    These are sometimes called "scare quotes".

    Unfortunately, we are limited in this forum because words in posts
    cannot be underlined, italicized, or bold-faced. I am not quoting
    anyone when I wrote "apologetic quotation marks", and would underline
    that phrase instead of enclosing it in quotation marks in a word
    processing program, but I cannot do so here.

    And, I would use a single quote mark (') instead of a full quote mark
    (") when using a quoted word or words within a sentence enclosed in
    quotes.
    The exchange was, in its entirety:

    (Polly) "I don't know anything about Photoshop (except that I can't
    afford it!)."

    (nospam) "you can't afford $50, yet you can afford a digital camera
    and a computer?"

    More than just "similar". A rather hypocritical claim from someone
    who complains about "syntax trolls".

    If you feel the need to "teach" (scare quotes) us something here, try
    to choose a subject you understand; not English usage.
     
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  19. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    again, there is nothing hypocritical about it. if polly really needed
    the full version, price would not be a concern because it pays for
    itself in short order. therefore, $50 is all that's necessary to get
    photoshop. and for the nitpickers, 'photoshop elements, a proud member
    of the photoshop family.'
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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  20. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    no shit.

    i figured it would be obvious but apparently i overestimated what some
    people can understand.
    correct.

    when adobe says 'photoshop' they mean any of a number of products.

    i have photoshop on my ipad.

    is it cs6? nope. is it elements? nope.

    anyone with a clue would know it's either photoshop express or
    photoshop touch.

    however, it's still photoshop.

    the fact that some people *assume* the pro version when they hear one
    word is of their own doing.
    it's a version of photoshop (to satisfy the nitpickers).
    good analogy.

    originally it was called ipod, then after they filled out the lineup,
    they renamed it to ipod classic.

    in fact, the name ipod is often mistakenly used to describe *competing*
    mp3 players.
    yep, that's reality.
    yep. standard fare for this newsgroup (and others).
     
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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