The Photoshop Family

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Sandman, Feb 12, 2014.

  1. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    it's clear what was meant. there is no ambiguity.

    the fact you hone in on inconsequential details (and this isn't the
    first time either) is nothing more than a semantic argument.
    Guest, Feb 13, 2014
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  2. Sandman

    Tony Cooper Guest

    That's the motto of those who can't write what they mean.

    there is no ambiguity.
    Here. I'll do it again.
    Tony Cooper, Feb 13, 2014
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  3. Sandman

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Nope. It's Adobe's doing. They still call the pro version
    Umm - there is. Look at the terminology used under the heading of
    'Products' on
    Not really. They started calling the original iPod the iPod Classic
    from about the time the iPod Mini came out. They clearly wanted to
    differentiate the two products.

    In the same way Adobe called the stripped down version of Photoshop
    'Photoshop Elements' to differentiate it from the original Photoshop.
    Not "after they filled out the lineup". When they statred filling out
    the lineup. Go look at the history.
    Which is a good example of why one should not use product names
    It's good to have a friend.
    Eric Stevens, Feb 14, 2014
  4. Sandman

    Guest Guest


    the ipod was renamed the ipod classic with the 3rd gen ipod nano in
    2007, long after the mini came and went.

    but that just reinforces my point. they're still ipods. the mini was
    just a physically smaller version and the nano even more so.

    which one you have is a function of how much you want to spend, what
    physical size device you want and how much capacity it has, as well as
    what features you want.
    which means they're both photoshop, just two variants of the same
    if only you would do so first.

    the ipod classic was the 6th gen ipod, in september, 2007.

    that was well after the mini came and went and after the lineup had
    been filled.

    in addition to the classic being announced were the 3rd gen nano, aka
    the fatty, and the ipod touch, which was basically an iphone without a
    phone and the 2nd gen shuffle had some new colours.
    not really. people know what is meant, even if it's not 100% precise.

    i've even heard windows users call their windows laptops powerbooks.
    technically not correct, but it's clear what they meant.
    Guest, Feb 14, 2014
  5. Sandman

    Eric Stevens Guest

    The sixth generation iPod was renamed 'iPod Classic' on Sept 5th 2007.
    THis was two days before the discontinuation of the iPod Mini and the
    introduction of the third generation nano.
    One is Photoshop. The other is the stripped down Photoshop Elements.
    The line up was later filled with all sorts of models.

    Eric Stevens, Feb 14, 2014
  6. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Another good example of trolling - snip away the entire post and then post
    something totally unrelated.
    Sandman, Feb 14, 2014
  7. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    I am not discussing other uses for quotations marks, troll.
    You make lots of hypocritical claims.
    Ironic, coming from the groups second biggest illiterate.
    Sandman, Feb 14, 2014
  8. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    "Photoshop CC".
    That was the point, Einstein.
    Which was also renamed to Photoshop CSX and now Photoshop CC.
    You're wrong, as always.

    The iPod Classic was called "iPod" up until the *sixth* generation, i.e.
    from 2001 all through 2007. In the interrim, Apple released the iPod mini,
    iPod Nano and the iPod shuffle.
    Sandman, Feb 14, 2014
  9. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    I.e. contrary to your claim above that "they started calling in the
    original iPod the iPod Classic from about the time the iPod Mini came out".
    This was 100% false.
    One is Photoshop CC, one is Photoshop Elements.
    Solid proof that you roriginal claim was 100% incorrect.
    Sandman, Feb 14, 2014
  10. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    that's exactly what i said.
    completely wrong.

    the ipod mini was discontinued in 2005, *replaced* by the ipod nano.

    this move surprised many people because they foolishly wondered why a
    company would cancel their most successful ipod at the peak of its
    success. the answer of course, is because they had something better.

    the 2nd gen nano was introduced a year later in 2006, followed by the
    3rd gen in 2007, as i said above.
    in other words, they're both photoshop, but one has fewer features and
    a lower price.
    the line up was complete when they changed it from 'ipod' to 'ipod
    classic', and the lineup remains the same today as it did then, which
    includes the ipod shuffle, ipod nano, ipod touch and ipod classic.
    that confirms what i said.
    Guest, Feb 14, 2014
  11. Sandman

    Whisky-dave Guest

    No they don't.
    Really, then I just brought a Maclacren F1, well last night anyway it was on offer 20% off. I should take delievery at about 10pm tonight it's a nice blue colour too.

    So not photoshop.
    No it isn't, otherwise people like yourself would get confused and try to install it on their tablet device, and adobe would so NO you need photoshop touch which is not the same product.

    and each version is differnt just like most cars have 4 wheels one at each corner that does not make every car then same.

    Not really. Most peole consider an ipod to be an ipod touch as that's the lasted product, the first ipod wasn't even called a classic and it wasnt touch either it was a click wheel.

    Yes so do you realyl think that everyone thinks the majority of peole that say they have an ipod are refering to this particular iPod ?

    Some even use the term photshopped.
    reality is an illusion brought about by lack of alcohol ;-)
    Whisky-dave, Feb 14, 2014
  12. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    No they don't.[/QUOTE]

    yes they most certainly do, those that have photoshop in the name.

    i don't use it all that much though, but it's there.
    if you say so.

    just don't drink and drive.
    if it's not photoshop, then why did adobe call it photoshop?

    it's a tablet version, but it's still photoshop.
    it's a version of photoshop for tablets. it's still photoshop.
    i didn't say every app is the same.
    the ipod nano, shuffle and classic are still current products, however,
    none are selling particularly well anymore, including the touch.
    but it's still an ipod.
    no, which is the whole point i'm making.

    photoshop is a group of apps, not one specific app.
    adobe despises that, and for good reason.
    Guest, Feb 14, 2014
  13. Sandman

    Eric Stevens Guest

    Not according to the information I posted.
    I'm not going to get into an argument about iPods.
    They are NOT both Photoshop. According to Adobe, they are not even
    both members of the Photoshop family. Photoshop XX is a member of the
    Photoshop family. Photoshop Elements XX is a member of the Elements
    family. I've already posted that information.--- snip ipod ---
    Eric Stevens, Feb 14, 2014
  14. Sandman

    Sandman Guest

    Must suck to always be wrong like you.
    Sandman, Feb 14, 2014
  15. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    where exactly did your information say the ipod mini was discontinued 2
    years after it was actually discontinued?

    this ought to be good.

    also, not only was the ipod classic introduced on the *same* day as the
    third gen nano, but it was the very *same* presentation. there was no
    two day difference.
    wise choice.
    yet they both have photoshop in their names.
    how did you arrive at that conclusion?

    because this is what adobe says:
    Guest, Feb 14, 2014
  16. Sandman

    Eric Stevens Guest

    It's at the bottom LH corner to which you have posted the URL below.
    See detail Family.psd
    Go exploring inside for further information.
    Eric Stevens, Feb 15, 2014
  17. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    you are seeing what you want to see.

    the url clearly states:
    The Adobe Photoshop family of products gives you everything you need
    to bring out the best in your digital images, transform them into
    anything you can imagine, and showcase them in extraordinary ways.

    and then lists the members of the family: photoshop, lightroom (whose
    official name is adobe photoshop lightroom, but nobody actually calls
    it that) and photoshop elements, as well as photoshop touch for mobile.

    they are all part of the photoshop family.

    adobe *also* chooses to have an overlapping category for photoshop and
    premiere elements. that does not in any way void the former.
    Guest, Feb 15, 2014
  18. Sandman

    Eric Stevens Guest

    You correctly noted that on that page Adobe listed:

    Photoshop CC - which is normally referred to as 'Photoshop'.

    Photoshop Lightroom 5 - which is normally referred to as 'Lightroom'.

    Photoshop Elements 12 - which is normally referred to as 'Elements'.

    Adobe Premier Elements - which is normally referred to as 'Premier

    .... But you know all this.

    So when you referred to what turned out to be 'Elements' as just
    'Photoshop' you created uncertainty and left yourself wide open for
    being misunderstood.

    Adobe avoids this problem by being precise in their terminology. As I
    have just pointed out, at the foot of their web page they very
    carefully separate Photoshop from the Elements family, yet you keep on
    insisting that reference to Photshop can mean Elements.

    You are a very sloppy thinker who makes things worse for everybody by
    absolutely refusing to make corrections even when their need is
    identified. I've had enough of this now utterly stupid argument.
    Eric Stevens, Feb 15, 2014
  19. Sandman

    Whisky-dave Guest

    So why would adobe both with seperaating all their differnt versions of photoshop ?, why call one photoshop elements and another photoshop CC why don;t tehy just call them all photoshop and leave it at that ?

    I have photoshop in many places proabblty more than you have but not on my ipad.
    I've gopt photoshop LE still in shrink wrap and photoshop 2.5.1 on floppies I think.

    Brought a Pagani Huayra last night 40% discount luckiley I'd saved up enough dosh for it, although I'm down to below R$300k now so no more spending for a while unless on upgrades.

    I can drive with one hand while holding a beer, but I do find it a little difficult I must admit.

    They didn't, they called it photoshop touch, that's why when you brought it you got billed for buying photoshop touch rather than any other photoshop product.

    you can buy manuals that say photshop on the front cover does that make them photoshop too ?

    Not to those that know what they are doing.

    You'[ve heard of fools gold, fools think it's gold do you think fools gold is gold ?

    So if you're not sdatyiong they are the same why would adobe think of them as the same ? Why wouldn;t they call all their apps photoshop.
    Just sell every adobe product under one name photoshop.

    Apple used suffixes so people could tell one from the other the term ipod originally meant a device they could play MP3 files.
    Now iPods can play videos MP4s, games, and even surfer the web.

    and still a music player.
    The ipods at thatv time could also be used as an external hard drive, so ipods could also be external drives they all can't.

    an iphone is an ipod, as is an iPad.

    That people and companies rely on specific naming to decripbe their products.
    Which is why I can say I have a mclaren F1 and a Pagani Huayra because I do.

    So if someone says they have photoshop they are saying they have a group of apps.

    I wonder why sounds like good advertising ploy.

    I wonder if dyson, meile, or Henry get upset when people say they are hoovering the floor.
    Whisky-dave, Feb 19, 2014
  20. Sandman

    Guest Guest

    So why would adobe both with seperaating all their differnt versions of
    photoshop ?, why call one photoshop elements and another photoshop CC why
    don;t tehy just call them all photoshop and leave it at that ?[/QUOTE]

    it's two different versions of the same app. it's *obvious*.

    apple has a macbook air and macbook pro. they are both macbooks, just
    two different versions targeted to two different types of users.
    they still can be used as external hard drives.
    definitely not.

    they are all ios devices.

    but let's assume that's the case. if an iphone and ipad are both ipods,
    then photoshop elements and photoshop cs/cc are both photoshop.

    an ipod touch is a subset of an iphone. it's basically an iphone
    without the phone. that means it can be sold for less money and to a
    different target market, just like photoshop elements.
    Guest, Feb 19, 2014
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