Theft prevention in public place

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by john stone, Dec 9, 2012.

  1. john stone

    john stone Guest

    Photographing in a busy public place, say like doing photographic work in a
    large store; how is it best to prevent ones laptop computer disappearing
    when one is not looking?

    Would one of these thin steel cables looped around a piece of furniture and
    the laptop be the best way ?
     
    john stone, Dec 9, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Cable locks are a decent deterrent against the opportunist thief.
    However they are only as secure as the manner they are secured and the
    furniture they are secured to. For example, having the cable looped
    around a table leg is useless, as all a thief has to do is lift one
    corner of the table and walk off with the laptop and the cablelock. So
    the type of counter or table used is an important consideration. There
    are tables and desks with a hole in the upper surface through which the
    cable can be passed before going around a leg or a purpose installed
    securing eye.
    < http://www.kensington.com/kensington/us/us/s/1479/laptop-locks.aspx >

    All of that said, a determined thief will defeat many securing systems,
    but you are not likely to find that individual in a mall setting.

    The question I have is; Why do you need your laptop for this photographic work?
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Use a desktop computer. :)
     
    Rob Morley, Dec 9, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : Photographing in a busy public place, say like doing photographic work in
    : a large store; how is it best to prevent ones laptop computer disappearing
    : when one is not looking?

    By never leaving any equipment lying around in a public place unless you have
    an assistant watching it continuously.

    : Would one of these thin steel cables looped around a piece of furniture and
    : the laptop be the best way ?

    No. The best way is to insert the laptop into the laptop pocket or sleeve of
    your computer bag or backpack and carry it with you at all times.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 9, 2012
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  5. john stone

    Savageduck Guest

    Agreed. A cable lock is only a deterrent, and not foolproof.
    Backpack makes more sense. I still am not sure why it would be
    necessary to lug a laptop around anyway.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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    tony cooper Guest

    I've done it. When after a particular image, or wanting to capture
    just the right image, you sometimes want to view the images as large
    as possible and in detail. Believe it or not, some of us don't have
    tablets or iPads or such.

    When my brother and his wife were here on a visit from Denmark, I
    wanted a family group shot taken at a location away from home. Yes, I
    can look at the images taken on my camera, and enlarge details, but
    it's nice to be able to see the image on a larger screen.

    I took my laptop and uploaded the images (but did not clear the card)
    and viewed them. I could have shot tethered, but didn't see the need.
     
    tony cooper, Dec 9, 2012
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  7. john stone

    Savageduck Guest

    If you don't need or want one, you don't need or want one. You have a laptop.
    That is a valid need, and certainly you could have shot tethered, or
    with a WiFi enabled laptop and an Eye-Fi card you could have had
    transfer between camera and laptop as you shot. However, in a general
    sense for me it would be unusual to lug either laptop or iPad around.

    Though one of these days I might try an Eye-Fi card in one of my
    cameras networked to my iPad which I would keep in my backpack
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Have you ever considered that you are a racist ass?
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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  9. john stone

    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 2012-12-09 12:56:16 -0800, tony cooper <> said:
    :
    : > On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:51:08 -0800, Savageduck
    : >
    : >> On 2012-12-09 10:55:59 -0800, Robert Coe <> said:
    : >>
    : >>> On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:07:03 -0000, "john stone" <>
    : >>> wrote:
    : >>> : Photographing in a busy public place, say like doing photographic work in
    : >>> : a large store; how is it best to prevent ones laptop computer disappearing
    : >>> : when one is not looking?
    : >>>
    : >>> By never leaving any equipment lying around in a public place unless you have
    : >>> an assistant watching it continuously.
    : >>
    : >> Agreed. A cable lock is only a deterrent, and not foolproof.
    : >>
    : >>> : Would one of these thin steel cables looped around a piece of furniture and
    : >>> : the laptop be the best way ?
    : >>>
    : >>> No. The best way is to insert the laptop into the laptop pocket or sleeve of
    : >>> your computer bag or backpack and carry it with you at all times.
    : >>
    : >> Backpack makes more sense. I still am not sure why it would be
    : >> necessary to lug a laptop around anyway.
    : >
    : > I've done it. When after a particular image, or wanting to capture
    : > just the right image, you sometimes want to view the images as large
    : > as possible and in detail. Believe it or not, some of us don't have
    : > tablets or iPads or such.
    :
    : If you don't need or want one, you don't need or want one. You have a laptop.
    :
    : > When my brother and his wife were here on a visit from Denmark, I
    : > wanted a family group shot taken at a location away from home. Yes, I
    : > can look at the images taken on my camera, and enlarge details, but
    : > it's nice to be able to see the image on a larger screen.
    : >
    : > I took my laptop and uploaded the images (but did not clear the card)
    : > and viewed them. I could have shot tethered, but didn't see the need.
    :
    : That is a valid need, and certainly you could have shot tethered, or
    : with a WiFi enabled laptop and an Eye-Fi card you could have had
    : transfer between camera and laptop as you shot. However, in a general
    : sense for me it would be unusual to lug either laptop or iPad around.
    :
    : Though one of these days I might try an Eye-Fi card in one of my
    : cameras networked to my iPad which I would keep in my backpack

    That may not be a great idea. The assumption is that the iPad would be turned
    on, and laptops left on in their cases have been known to overheat and start
    fires. Maybe an iPad runs cool enough for that not to be a problem, but I'd
    sure check into it first.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 9, 2012
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    Huge Guest

    .... completely useless.
     
    Huge, Dec 9, 2012
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  11. john stone

    Savageduck Guest

    Even when running processor intensive apps the iPad runs cool. One of
    the benefits of using SSD instead of an HDD.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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  12. john stone

    Savageduck Guest

    I am inclined to agree. Just a deterrent to keep the honest, honest.
    I have never seen a need to buy or use one.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 9, 2012
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    Whiskers Guest

    How permanent is your location? There are clamping devices that when
    bolted to fixed counters make the laptop effectively part of the building
    when locked. Or you could perhaps use a table of your own with a built-in
    clamp for the laptop (or a large trolley which you could use to carry all
    your kit - with padlocks on the wheels).

    An alarm that sounds when the laptop is moved is worth considering. So is
    some form of indelible marking - clearly visible so that potential thieves
    can see it before getting close.

    There are programs that will use GPS and the mobile phone networks to alert
    you or a security company to the location of the machine, if it has the
    necessary hardware installed.

    Those slender cables only deter casual theft; they won't even slow down a
    determined thief.
     
    Whiskers, Dec 9, 2012
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    Mort Guest

    Try carrying your laptop in a baby-bag, e.g. a pink bag with baby
    pictures on the outside. A thief might mistake it for a diaper bag and
    not steal it. Of course, never let it out of your sight.

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, Dec 9, 2012
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    Mort Guest

    Another possibility is to get a cheap netbook or ultrabook, and use its
    10 or 12" screen to view your pix, but without any vital information on
    its h.d..

    How about an Epson or similar viewer with h.d. and a 4" or 6" screen?

    Mort Linder
     
    Mort, Dec 9, 2012
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : On 2012-12-09 14:19:03 -0800, Robert Coe <> said:
    :
    : > On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 13:27:47 -0800, Savageduck <[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
    : > wrote:
    : > :
    :
    : <<< Le Snip >>>
    :
    : > : Though one of these days I might try an Eye-Fi card in one of my
    : > : cameras networked to my iPad which I would keep in my backpack
    : >
    : > That may not be a great idea. The assumption is that the iPad would be
    : > turned on, and laptops left on in their cases have been known to overheat
    : > and start fires. Maybe an iPad runs cool enough for that not to be a
    : > problem, but I'd sure check into it first.
    :
    : Even when running processor intensive apps the iPad runs cool. One of
    : the benefits of using SSD instead of an HDD.

    If you say so. But in all the laptops that I've used that got really hot, the
    CPU was the culprit. Anybody remember the Dell Latitude C640? Mine would get
    so hot that I literally couldn't keep it on my lap without a pillow or
    computer bag to rest it on. And that heat was definitely not coming from the
    HDD.

    After the C640, I had a D600; it ran cooler, but was godawful slow. It was
    followed by a D610, which ran cooler than the C640, but the bottom could still
    get so hot you wouldn't want to touch it for long.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 9, 2012
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    Savageduck Guest

    Not if I say so. I am sure that others in this room who use iPad will
    attest to the same. That is the reality of the iPad at work, it also
    has a 10 hour battery life which you are not going to get with a laptop.
    ....and the iPad is not using an Intel or PPC processor, it is using
    ARMv7 driven A5X or A6, a collaboration with Samsung, & ARM Holdings.
    Both my Titanium Power Book Pro 17'' (PPC) and my MacBookPro 17''
    (Intel) run so hot neither are comfortable to use as a "laptop". The
    joke with the PBP was it ran so hot normally you could cook on it. The
    MBP runs a little cooler, but not much.

    The iPad never seems to get much above room temperature, and probably
    gets more heat from me holding it.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 10, 2012
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  18. john stone

    Savageduck Guest

    ....er and Apple.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 10, 2012
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  19. john stone

    Robert Coe Guest

    : Robert Coe wrote:
    : > On Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:07:03 -0000, "john stone" <>
    : > wrote:
    : > : Photographing in a busy public place, say like doing photographic work in
    : > : a large store; how is it best to prevent ones laptop computer disappearing
    : > : when one is not looking?
    : >
    : > By never leaving any equipment lying around in a public place unless you have
    : > an assistant watching it continuously.
    : >
    : > : Would one of these thin steel cables looped around a piece of furniture and
    : > : the laptop be the best way ?
    : >
    : > No. The best way is to insert the laptop into the laptop pocket or sleeve of
    : > your computer bag or backpack and carry it with you at all times.
    : >
    : > Bob
    : >
    :
    : Try carrying your laptop in a baby-bag, e.g. a pink bag with baby
    : pictures on the outside. A thief might mistake it for a diaper bag and
    : not steal it. Of course, never let it out of your sight.

    Reminds me of the ads for camera bags that are disguised to look like
    something else, so thieves won't realize you're carrying a camera. I'd guess
    that a thief smart enough to make a living at it isn't likely to be fooled.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 10, 2012
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  20. john stone

    Robert Coe Guest

    : > Photographing in a busy public place, say like doing photographic work in a
    : > large store; how is it best to prevent ones laptop computer disappearing
    : > when one is not looking?
    : >
    : > Would one of these thin steel cables looped around a piece of furniture and
    : > the laptop be the best way ?
    :
    : How permanent is your location? There are clamping devices that when
    : bolted to fixed counters make the laptop effectively part of the building
    : when locked. Or you could perhaps use a table of your own with a built-in
    : clamp for the laptop (or a large trolley which you could use to carry all
    : your kit - with padlocks on the wheels).
    :
    : An alarm that sounds when the laptop is moved is worth considering. So is
    : some form of indelible marking - clearly visible so that potential thieves
    : can see it before getting close.
    :
    : There are programs that will use GPS and the mobile phone networks to alert
    : you or a security company to the location of the machine, if it has the
    : necessary hardware installed.
    :
    : Those slender cables only deter casual theft; they won't even slow down a
    : determined thief.

    Well, you're assuming a situation so intrusive that the store manager would
    obviously be involved in the planning and preparation. In such a case he could
    be asked to make a store detective or security guard available for the
    duration of the shoot.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 10, 2012
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