They came out!

Discussion in 'Darkroom Developing and Printing' started by Justin F. Knotzke, Nov 19, 2003.

  1. Hello,

    I just finished developing my first roll. I still have to make the contact
    sheet. I decided to use a leader retriever to get the film out of the
    canister. Worked well, got the reel loaded, turned out the lights and started
    to feed the reel.

    Well idiot me had the bright idea (in a dark-room) to pull film out of the
    canister before feeding it into the reel. As I am sure many of you are
    wincing, the film curled up on itself and it stopped feeding the reel. I had
    to roll the film back into the roll and start over. This time I kept the
    canister close to the reel and let the reel, take in from the roll. Worked
    perfectly.

    Developed the film, dried, and cut. Threw it on a light panel and the
    perferation is scratched from when I peeled the film off to roll it back into
    the canister.

    Other then that, it looks OK. No idea if I did a good job but the images
    are there. ;-)

    Next is the contact sheet.

    Again, thanks to all who helped.

    J
     
    Justin F. Knotzke, Nov 19, 2003
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    jjs Guest

    As you discovered, pulling the film out like that increases risk of
    scratching the negative as it passes through the film gate again. Not a
    good idea at all. A bottle opener works better.
     
    jjs, Nov 19, 2003
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    Dick Guest

    I suspect that the scratches were caused by dirt that got on the film that
    was out of the canister when it got put back in. I have used the leader
    retrieval method for about 5 years yet, and as the Bon Ami (@) ads used to
    say "hasn't scratched yet."

    Dick
     
    Dick, Nov 19, 2003
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    geo Guest

    Congrats Justin. It really is magic isn't it? Jaded veterans tend to forget
    that but after 100s of rolls I still can't wait to take a peak at the negs
    as soon as they get a quick rinse after the fix. I remember my first time;
    it was in the bathroom (oh, stop it!). I blocked the window with a towel and
    stuffed one under the door to block the light. It was a hot night and I was
    sweating buckets as I struggled to get the film on the SS reel. I couldn't
    quite get it right and lost some negs because part of the film was out of
    the channel but the development went ok and most of the roll came out. I
    still have it. It's like my first dollar bill. Wait till you start
    enlarging!

    Natural Light Black and White Photography
    http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
    -George-
     
    geo, Nov 19, 2003
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  5. The scratches on the perferation came from me prying the film from the
    reel. The film was half in half out and I couldn't make heads or tails of it
    in the dark so I ripped the film out of the reel. I could hear the film
    scratching against the reel.

    I don't think it was because of pulling the film through again.

    J
     
    Justin F. Knotzke, Nov 19, 2003
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  6. I figured some of the veterans would get a kick out of it. I'm 32 and
    you'd think I would have done this when I was younger. While all my buddies
    are getting digital I'm going analog. _shrug_.

    I went to a store 30 mins from home where they have darkroom stuff at good
    prices. I got all my trays, chemicals etc, on the counter as she does up the
    bill and beside me is a guy in his 60's holding a Canon 300D. He looks at me,
    looks at my purchase, looks at the 300D and says, "you know, I think we've got
    this backwards".

    LOL!

    The contact sheet is done. I was going to try a light panel until everyone
    here said to use a 15 watt bulb. So I went and got one. I put the paper under
    the print file of negs, slapped the glass down over it and hit the light. I
    had cardboard over it and every 5 seconds I removed one row of negs.. 5-25
    seconds in all.

    The last row was somewhat visible the rest was BLACK. Being the newbie that
    I am and half stoned on chemicals I equated dark with not enough light. D'uh.
    So I exposed for 30-50 seconds. BLACK, BLACK.

    Hmm.

    Leave the bathroom, get a glass of water... DING! Less light idiot.

    Run to the hardware store and find a 7 watt bulb. Load that and try again.
    At 5-10 seconds I'm close. So I grab a piece of carboard and hold it over the
    light. Now I can work in with 15-25 seconds or so. After about 6 tries, I had
    a contact sheet that was still too light but good enough. I had enough at that
    point. Now I have something to work with. But it gives me a good enough idea
    of what I have to do next time.

    But very, very cool.

    Those chemicals are nasty. I finally understand why all my photo friends
    are a little whacky. ;-)

    J.
     
    Justin F. Knotzke, Nov 19, 2003
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    brook Guest

    I just finished developing my first roll. I still have to make the contact
    I always forgot the opener and have just pryed open the canister with
    my thumb, and as I always forgot to get out the sissors, I just slide
    the tag end of the film on the reel. Less stuff, works as well or
    better than any other way I have tried.
    brook
     
    brook, Nov 19, 2003
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    I do have to admit I get a bit of a thrill when I open the daytank for the first
    time and see the negatives. If you've ever processed transparencies your self that's
    an even better feeling!

    Frank

    : Congrats Justin. It really is magic isn't it? Jaded veterans tend to forget
    : that but after 100s of rolls I still can't wait to take a peak at the negs
    : as soon as they get a quick rinse after the fix. I remember my first time;
    : it was in the bathroom (oh, stop it!). I blocked the window with a towel and
    : stuffed one under the door to block the light. It was a hot night and I was
    : sweating buckets as I struggled to get the film on the SS reel. I couldn't
    : quite get it right and lost some negs because part of the film was out of
    : the channel but the development went ok and most of the roll came out. I
    : still have it. It's like my first dollar bill. Wait till you start
    : enlarging!

    : Natural Light Black and White Photography
    : http://mysite.verizon.net/geost/
    : -George-

    : : > Hello,
    : >
    : > I just finished developing my first roll. ...



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    Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
     
    Frank Pittel, Nov 19, 2003
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  9. Or not, when they come out clear :-D Ha ha,.....boo :-(
     
    Gregory W. Blank, Nov 19, 2003
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  10. Making the contact sheet was even more of a thrill. I've only ever seen
    prints come out of a machine (fax, photocopier, printer). So to put something in
    some liquid and watch an image appear is very cool. For some this might be old
    hat but for me it is quite a thrill

    I have to say I much prefer film to digital. I was thinking of getting a
    scanner instead of an enlarger but after today, I'm not so sure.

    J
     
    Justin F. Knotzke, Nov 19, 2003
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  11. Man better you than me, I hate making contact sheets with the exception
    of contact prints for indidvidual negatives.
     
    Gregory W. Blank, Nov 20, 2003
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    Sherman Guest

    Welcome to the club! You are in for a lot of fun (and hard work but even
    that is usually fun). When you start enlarging you will be in for another
    thrill.

    I've been developing film since the 70's and I *still* get excited when I
    pull the negatives out of the tank.

    Sherman
    http://www.dunnamphoto.com
     
    Sherman, Nov 20, 2003
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    nick Guest

    Justin,

    The leader retreiver is the hard way. You can buy a very cheap gadget
    that pos an end off of the canister, you pull out the roll in its
    spool and it is easy to deal with.

    Good luck to you,

    Nick
     
    nick, Nov 20, 2003
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    Jim Phelps Guest

    Yeah, it's an even better feeling if you ever reticulated the whole roll
    (E-4 process) of important shots. Every roll of slides after that is pure
    joy!
     
    Jim Phelps, Nov 20, 2003
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    Dick Guest

    Nick (and others who use the can/bottle opener method). My hand
    coordination when working in the dark is the worst. I tried the stainless
    reels, but ruined too many frames and scratched too many while fumbling
    with them, that I switched to the Patterson reels and tanks. With 35 mm, I
    can prepare them in the light, by retrieving the leader, pulling out a
    couple of inches of film, trimming it, and starting it on the reels before
    turning off the lights. Simplifies things for me personally (and I have
    never fogged a frame). Now if they would only put 120 film in canisters . .
    .. .

    Dick
     
    Dick, Nov 20, 2003
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    Seeing the image come up in the developer is always nice. Knowing you
    haven't done anything totally screwy-))

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Nov 20, 2003
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  17. Well idiot me had the bright idea (in a dark-room) to pull film out of
    the
    I don't know what kind of reel you're using, but if you continue to have
    trouble loading it, I suggest you look into Kindermann stainless-steel
    reels. They make a 35mm quick-loader that makes the loading process
    virtually foolproof.
     
    Andrew Koenig, Nov 20, 2003
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    Dick Guest

    I have no trouble now that I have switched to the Patterson system, but
    thanks for the suggestion.

    Dick
     
    Dick, Nov 20, 2003
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    Sherman Guest

    Sherman, Nov 20, 2003
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  20. Justin F. Knotzke

    Sherman Guest

    I do most of my printing digitally these days. I shoot in 4x5, develop the
    negs or transparencies and then scan them. However I still print in the
    darkroom occasionally and probably will for as long as I'm able. As you
    said there is something very cool about seeing an image come up on paper in
    the tray.

    Sherman
    http://www.dunnamphoto.com
     
    Sherman, Nov 20, 2003
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