They seemed like a good idea at the time...

Discussion in 'Australia Photography' started by mark.thomas.7, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. ... before I relegate them to the trash... (O;

    Actually, a couple are keepers, but most of these just didn't quite
    work, for various reasons. But it's good to show off your failures as
    well as your triumphs, I reckon! so here they are, warts and all...
    It's been a lean week...

    the sort of day when you really should stay between the flags..

    black and white version of panorama (sorry, I know it is being over-

    just from the car window at traffic lights..

    the dog..

    a somewhat strange moment at the local rugby oval (I do have some
    good ones from this shoot, maybe later)..

    after the rain..

    if you can't afford it... (South Bank beach)

    Constructive abuse of these awful snapshots always welcome!
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 15, 2008
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    Noons Guest

    dang! Reminded me to go back to the RAW
    files from my recent Europe trip and pull
    out the storm shots in there...

    Very nice!

    How the heck do you banana-benders
    manage to play rugby in that heat will
    always baffle me. But keept it warm:
    off to the Gold Coast next weekend
    with the fam!

    Noons, Mar 15, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest

    Speaking as someone who spent years and a small fortune in a smelly little
    darkroom, going half-blind and yellow-fingered in the red light, I still
    don't "get" B/W. That pano is OK in B/W, but *great* in colour. The
    starkness of B/W is fine, when B/W is an accurate reflection of reality
    (sand and shadows, the moon etc.) but if it is artificially imposed, either
    through lack of resources (as it was in my poverty-stricken youth) or
    through design ([image]-[mode]-[greyscale]-[click] ) then it sucks.

    Colour is so-o-o-o-o much better - and harder to master.

    I once had a lovely portrait of a young lady - in colour - but I could not
    for the life of me get the colour balance correct. If I got the highlights
    right, the shadows went crazy. I finally gave up and rendered it in B/W.
    Perfect! So you see - B/W takes less skill and finesse. YMMV.

    You do that too?

    How long did it take up to that stage?
    Jeff R., Mar 15, 2008
  4. Thanks! I mostly agree. I'm a b&w incompetent myself.. (O:
    I'll have you know I channel-mixed it!! (O:
    Took me quite a while.. and I ended up just using most of the green
    channel and a bit more red than blue...
    Frankly, I coulda just used the green channel... OK, you win.

    Especially when some twit shot the original (non-raw) images for that
    pano with flippin' auto white balance on.. What a maroon. )O: Having
    said that, the final version looks pretty good, but it took a while to
    correct the colour twists. I'll probably go back and do it all over
    again, anyway...
    I've never done anything like that. Uhuh. Not me, no, never, no
    way... (O:

    More seriously, I really like shots where monochromaticity (?!) comes
    by nature of the lighting, like this one:
    Not often. Probably just as well...

    Dunno, as I only spent a few minutes watching. But I imagine a bloody
    long time, judging by the agonising way he was fussing over tiny
    details.. and then a bit collapsed, so he sighed loudly and had to
    make repairs..

    All so that some kid can jump on it later.


    Thanks for taking the time!
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 15, 2008
  5. Thanks - Would have been a much better shot from a lower angle,
    methinks, but sometimes you just have to take what is on offer.
    I confess that i simply do not 'get' that game. But it was quite
    enjoyable to just watch and not worry
    about what they were actually doing, and why..
    It's been painfully mild this summer, so who knows what you will
    get.. Good luck.
    Thanks for commenting.
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 15, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest

    Ohhh.. me too. Y'know - the classic "peeling paint on the fence-post at
    sunset" shot.

    The one you linked above, though, still relies on its colour (IMNSHO) for
    Dull as dishwater in B/W.
    Great in colour (even if only a few)

    Is that the time?

    'night all.
    Jeff R., Mar 15, 2008
  7. Love the B&W pano Mark.
    Michael Brown, Mar 15, 2008
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    Troy Piggins Guest

    Thanks for sharing Mark! That B&W pano conversion - how did you
    do it? I've read that desaturating luminosity gives good
    results, as opposed to lightness or average.

    Have you posted the final colour version of that yet? Must've
    missed it if you have. I've been trying to keep an eye out for
    Troy Piggins, Mar 15, 2008
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    Annika1980 Guest

    That guy on the right looks like he's been hanging with D-Mac too
    Was his name Julian, by chance?
    Annika1980, Mar 15, 2008
  10. My pleasure.
    Hi, Troy.

    I'm a b&w imbecile, so you should probably ask someone more
    experienced.. But fwiw, my normal method (in Photoshop) is to:
    - change to LAB mode and see what the L channel looks like.. Often it
    is near enough and a gentle levels tweak is all that is required OR
    - Look at the channels by clicking on each one in the channels tab of
    the channels window (did I say 'channels' enough times?). Then,
    having decided which ones give me which effects, I either use the
    channels mixer, or get all selective and fiddle about endlessly
    playing with the individual layers, erasing areas etc, before finally
    giving up and thinking.. it isn't worth it... and going back to the

    The green channel tends to give the best/most natural rendition, or
    the one nearest what your eye 'expects', for reasons that should be
    obvious from other threads about our sensitivity to that bit of the

    That version is about 75% green, 15 Blue, 10 Red. Didn't do any
    selective work on it, so I think that means it is still a
    'photograph'... (O:
    Well, I posted an 'improved' colour version of it (but somewhat
    reduced) here:
    but it was mostly stitching problems I fixed and you may have seen it
    already. It still had a few colour issues (particularly in the
    rightmost frame, and the er..trifling over-saturation!) that I have
    since resolved (imo!).
    (But I've decided some areas really *do* have green lighting...!)

    I may post a reduced final-final version later, but then again, I
    might re-shoot it and try to get a better version yet.

    And having murdered the grammar in just about every sentence above, I
    shall now depart... (O:
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 16, 2008
  11. The thought did cross my mind, but I wasn't crass enough to mention

    mark.thomas.7, Mar 16, 2008
  12. I should have added, for the sake of completion and anyone new to b&w,
    that the red channel is usually great for skies - dramatic clouds,
    etc.. So for daylight shots, I might use the red channel for the sky,
    and green for most other stuff. Blue is generally pretty useless (O:
    (and it is usually the noisiest channel). Red is also good for clean-
    looking (but 'pasty') complexions, but be careful - someone with
    freckles may come out freckle-less... (O:

    If interested I can post an example of the RGB effects - for obvious
    reasons they are the same effects us old-timers used to get when using
    coloured filters with b&w film back in the good ole days...

    Lived in paper bag in middle o't' road...
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 16, 2008
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    Jeff R. Guest

    Jeff R., Mar 16, 2008
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    Doug Jewell Guest

    Yeah I normally use the channel mixer the same way I'd use
    filters - mostly red and green channels, and mix the
    proportion of them relative to the effect of the filter - if
    I would have used a red filter than 100% red, orange is
    about 75% red, 25% gree, yellow would be 50% red, 50% green,
    yellow-green would be about 20% red 80% green, and of course
    green is 100% green. Usually I'll then tweak it slightly
    from those starting points to get the desired result, but by
    thinking in terms of what filter would I have used, I get a
    good starting point.
    Of course, if I know upfront that B&W is the desired result,
    I use FP4, HP5 or TMZ and be done with it!
    a road? you were lucky to 'ave a road. We used to live at
    bottom o't' lake. Every morning we'd get out of bed, half an
    hour before we'd gone to sleep, walk 35 miles to pit in bare
    feet over broken glass. We'd work 25 hours down t'pit, and
    we had to pay t' pit owner tuppence ha'pny for t' privilege
    of working there. Aye we had it tough, but try and tell the
    kids of today that and they doon't believe you.
    Doug Jewell, Mar 16, 2008
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    Colin_D Guest


    I use a b/w converter plugin for Photoshop which will emulate the tonal
    characteristics of a number of b/w films, plus allowing slider
    adjustment of individual colors, free software available at

    you might find interesting.

    Colin D.
    Colin_D, Mar 16, 2008

  16. Thanks Colin - I shall have a look when I have an idle moment... which
    won't be for few days!

    mark.thomas.7, Mar 17, 2008
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    Rob. Guest

    So what wrong with the BW converter in CS3?

    Rob., Mar 17, 2008
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    Colin_D Guest

    Not everybody has CS3. Satisfied?

    Colin D.
    Colin_D, Mar 17, 2008
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    Rob. Guest

    Rob., Mar 18, 2008
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