this best place for aus digital video discussion? Panasonic DS-150 DVD

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Zamperla, Mar 11, 2006.

  1. Zamperla

    Zamperla Guest

    Parents are going to get a digital video camera in next month, they're
    looking at the Panasonic DS-150 DVD at the moment. I had not heard of
    DVD-Ram and was sceptical, but it seems to be pretty revolutionary -
    reusable discs. I think the camera is around the $800 mark.

    What are everyone's thoughts of a digital video cam in this price
    range? Are there any hands-down winners? Things to look out for? Best
    retailer to purchase? Many questions, too many for one introductory
    email really, but if anyone is willing to comment, I'd be very

    Thanks in advance,

    Zamperla, Mar 11, 2006
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  2. Zamperla

    Rob Guest

    Thats the way to go tapes have been somewhat on the cards to be
    superseded for a couple of years.
    I prefer a 3CCD camera over a CMOS type chips.
    Rob, Mar 11, 2006
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  3. Zamperla

    googlegroups Guest

    A few things you may need to consider - just generic comments based on
    other models:

    1. If they want to write to DVD-R or DVD-RW the finalizing process may
    take some time. This has been an issue previously but it may not apply

    2. They may want to grab a drive that can support DVD-RAM for their PC.
    LG is one company that makes a "multi recorder" that does all of the
    common write-once and rewriteable DVD formats: DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RW,
    DVD+RW and DVD-RAM. Presumably you can also plug the camera in via USB
    or firewire so it's not required; it might just make transfer a little

    3. Most home DVD players cannot read or play DVD-RAM discs. One
    exception is Panasonic.

    4. An 8cm DVD-RAM disc cannot store nearly as much data as a Mini-DV
    tape. MPEG-2 encoding onto the disc will use more aggressive
    compression than DV encoding onto a Mini-DV tape. You may notice
    blocking artifacts if there's significant movement (like panning the
    camera fast). If you've ever watched Foxtel and looked closely at the
    screen you'll know what I mean. On the plus side, MPEG-2 is the same
    format used by commercial DVDs, so you don't need to converte or
    re-encode the stream to play in a DVD player.

    If it wasn't for #4 I'd probably get one of these units myself!
    googlegroups, Mar 11, 2006
  4. Zamperla

    Zamperla Guest

    'googlegroups', some interesting advice.

    So these mini DVD tapes, can they be re-used?

    what is the real benefit to DVD-Ram over DV tapes?
    Zamperla, Mar 15, 2006
  5. Zamperla

    googlegroups Guest

    Do you mean DVD discs or MiniDV tapes?

    DVD-RW and DVD-RAM are both rewritable. With DVD-RAM you can erase
    specific recordings; with DVD-RW I think you need to erase the entire

    MiniDV tapes are also re-usable.
    The RA in DVD-RAM stands for Random Access. :) You can quickly flip
    between different clips without needing to fast forward and rewind. You
    can also erase individual clips without affecting the rest of the disc.
    Recording new clips only uses free space, it will never overwrite an
    existing clip.

    MiniDV is a sequential access medium which means that you may need to
    hunt around to find the clip you want, and you may inadvertently record
    over something you haven't yet captured or copied. It's very similar in
    operation to a VHS tape.

    Have you considered hard drive models? They offer the benefit of random
    access and also a LOT more storage space. A small DVD-RAM disc can
    store less than a couple of gigabytes; a hard drive model will
    typically come with more than 40Gb of storage space.
    googlegroups, Mar 17, 2006
  6. Zamperla

    Zamperla Guest

    They are only budgeting for around $900 -$1200max, I suppose DVD-Ram is
    a much cheaper option than a Hard Drive (which, yeah, is certainly

    Can you get a decent DVid Cam with a large hard drive for this price

    Many thanks for your candid advice!
    Zamperla, Mar 17, 2006
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    Zamperla Guest

    Do you mean DVD discs or Mini DV tapes?

    I mean the mini DV tapes. (I assume these are probably similar to the
    mini disc players which have now become obselete to mp3 players) i.e.
    there is no actual moving 'tape' as such.
    Zamperla, Mar 17, 2006
  8. Zamperla

    googlegroups Guest

    No, MiniDV is actually tape fed between two spools, passing over
    spinning heads. Same basic technology as your VHS VCR but a fair bit
    more refined. :)

    That is one disadvantage of MiniDV - it's a physical contact media so
    heads can get clogged or wear out, tape can crumple, etc. Unless you
    use absolute crap or you're shooting 50 hours of footage a week you'll
    probably never have any such issues.
    googlegroups, Mar 17, 2006
  9. Zamperla

    Zamperla Guest

    OK, am surprised by that, I don't think I'd go for that option then.
    Not sure if you saw my other post above it so here it is again:

    They are only budgeting for around $900 -$1200max, I suppose DVD-Ram is
    a much cheaper option than a Hard Drive (which, yeah, is certainly

    Can you get a decent DVid Cam with a large hard drive for this price

    Many thanks for your candid advice!
    Zamperla, Mar 18, 2006
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