Thom Hogans Complete Guide to Nikon D70

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Ken Ellis, Mar 22, 2005.

  1. Ken Ellis

    Ken Ellis Guest

    Now in alt.binaries.multimedia.utilities.

    Ken Ellis, Mar 22, 2005
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    Sheldon Guest

    I didn't see it, but if the entire book is posted there the poster should be
    shot. It's in direct violation of copyright law, and would be the same as
    posting all of your photos and writings on the Net for anybody to use.

    Now that I've got that out of my system, it is a great book.

    Sheldon, Mar 22, 2005
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    Tom Scales Guest

    That's really sad. All that effort on his part, and you're helping people
    steal it.
    Tom Scales, Mar 22, 2005
  4. Ken Ellis

    Larry Guest

    Although I agree with you, you might be surprised by the number of people who
    will BUY it after having a look at it. (similar to looking through a book at
    the bookstore).

    I wont even begin to claim that a high percentage will do so, but a few will
    pay for it simply because its the right thing to do.

    I liken it to buying stuff at the local camera store... Most of what I get
    there can be had for half (or less) price shopping on line, but if enough
    people buy SOME things there, they will still be there when you need 'em.
    (like if you need that filter/hood/case/slave/ect TODAY, not over-night, not
    in three days but TONIGHT.

    In actual fact he may sell MORE because it is on the newsgroups.. The ones
    who will steal it wouldnt have bought it no matter what they steal because
    they have no built in prohibition about it. The ones that are pleased with
    it and have any moral fiber at all, will buy it. There really are people out
    there who have a sense of right and wrong.

    My first copy of PaintShop Pro (Jasc) was obtained from a warez group.. I
    liked it, and at the time Adobe PhotoShop was too expensive, So I used PSP
    and when a new version came out (about a week later) I purchased it,(I think
    it was about $50 (US) at the time) to get the support and the disk, and to
    feel I had done the right thing.

    I have done the same with other stuff.. Used it, liked it, bought it. It may
    not be totally correct, but it is better than stealing.
    Larry, Mar 22, 2005
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    Chas Guest

    Rationalize it however you'd like; it's still a copyright violation to post
    the book and the poster is an asshole for doing it. Mr. Hogan has been
    Chas, Mar 22, 2005
  6. Ken Ellis

    Tom Scales Guest

    Probably a good arguement for Thom posting an excerpt on his website, but
    can't possibly rationalize putting the whole book on a newsgroup.

    Theft, pure and simple.

    But then again, you admitted that you stole PSP and only later decided to
    buy it.
    Tom Scales, Mar 22, 2005
  7. Ken Ellis

    Matt Clara Guest

    Oh, and the penalty for copyright violation is death? Get a grip.
    Matt Clara, Mar 22, 2005
  8. Get a grip??? Get a grip??? Well ok, maybe the guy shouldn't be
    shot. Just winged (once in the shoulder, and maybe anoter in the
    knee). And P.S., Hogan's book is quite informative. Ken
    Ken Palmateer, Mar 22, 2005
  9. Ken Ellis

    Ken Ellis Guest

    I did not post it...I don't own a D70...I have no use for it...I
    simply said "it was there".

    Ken Ellis, Mar 22, 2005
  10. Ken Ellis

    Ken Ellis Guest

    Thanks for the info. If i ever get a D70, i might get it. BTW..i had
    no hand in producing or posting that, but shared that information with
    this group. If that proves to be problematic; easy to rectify. No
    more "by the way".

    I agree, if it was my book - or my photo's, i would be pissed off; and
    seek recourse..if possible. In fact...since i shared this with this
    group because of my interest here, do with it what you will..
    no more.

    soooo...what shall we talk about next.

    in a sorta fraternal fashion,
    Ken Ellis, Mar 22, 2005
  11. Ken Ellis

    Larry Guest

    Good.. I wasnt rationalizing.

    I was agreeing

    READ what I posted.

    Some good could come from it. Not likely, but possible.
    Larry, Mar 22, 2005
  12. Ken Ellis

    Larry Guest

    Could have downloaded it from their OWN website and used it LONGER for free,
    I just used what I had, liked it, bought it. Lets not forget it started out
    as SHAREWARE, and still was, when I got it.

    On the other hand, I really dont much care what you think. I havent ever
    taken anything from anyone that I didnt pay for.

    I dont aprove of it, and I dont do it.
    Larry, Mar 22, 2005
  13. Ken Ellis

    Larry Guest

    Since Ive already decided that my next camera is going to be a D70, Im sure
    I'll buy it.

    I might even buy it BEFORE the camera, thats not a bad idea for evening
    reading. Might even save some RTFM time (those are NEVER entertaining).
    Larry, Mar 22, 2005
  14. Copying is not stealing. Copying is copying - and in this
    case this copying is against the Copyright law. But ... it
    is not stealing.

    Moreover - it is by no means sure that a post in a binary
    newsgroup will decrease the number of books bought. On
    the contrary I would believe. And for the one selling the book
    that is probably what counts - the amount of money made.

    For good and for bad we live in the digital era. Everything
    available in digital format can be perfectly and simple copied.
    That makes information sharing extremely powerful - which is good.
    Companies selling digital goods have to (and will) find ways to
    make money.

    Roland Karlsson, Mar 22, 2005
  15. It's theft pure and simple when you put it out for public use.

    A man said to the universe:
    "Sir, I exist!"
    "However" replied the universe,
    "The fact has not created in me
    A sense of obligation."
    Stephen Crane
    John A. Stovall, Mar 22, 2005
  16. Ken Ellis

    Larry Guest

    Putting it on the web is PUBLISHING and since it is a copyright issue, the
    penalty can be up to 5 years in prison in the US.
    Larry, Mar 22, 2005
  17. Ken Ellis

    cdubea Guest

    Concur with all of the above.
    cdubea, Mar 22, 2005
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    Sheldon Guest

    Unfortunately, and one of the complaints about the book, as good as it is,
    is that the book is entirely on CD. If you download it you've got it.
    Sheldon, Mar 23, 2005
  19. Ken Ellis

    Sheldon Guest

    When I started my rant I had no intention of shooting the messenger. Sorry
    'bout that.
    Sheldon, Mar 23, 2005
  20. Ken Ellis

    Tom Scales Guest

    But officer, I was just borrowing the car for a few days. If I like it, I
    promise to pay for it.
    Tom Scales, Mar 23, 2005
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