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Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Ken Maltby, Jun 9, 2006.

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    Ken Maltby, Jun 9, 2006
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    DeepOne Guest

    What about "Periodical license validation"? That would be a deal
    killer for me. I'm trying to boycott anything that uses that. That's
    why I bought VideoReDo instead of TMPGEnc MPEG Editor.
     
    DeepOne, Jun 9, 2006
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  3. Be prepared to boycott just about everything coming down the
    pike then... MS Vista, DX10, hi-def media, even system bioses
    are going to be looking over your shoulder. Etc etc.

    It's a corporate fascist state.
     
    Jack F. Twist, Jun 10, 2006
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    I certainly understand "DeepOne"s position, in fact while
    I have upgraded and purchased TDA from when it was a
    free Beta all the way through TDA 1.6 ; I refuse to get
    the new TDA 2.0 - for that very reason. Part of the reason
    I never tried their MPEG Editor was their continued use of
    phone home authentication. ( That and the fact that
    VideoReDo works so well.)

    I don't blame the software maker so much as I do the
    thieves that created the "Warez scene". If I find equivalent
    legitimate software, without such authentication schemes,
    I will give it some preference in my buying consideration.

    No software is likely to be totally to my liking, but in a
    competitive environment having a negative factor will tend
    to give the competitor's products more consideration. For
    now, that factor isn't enough to make something like the
    "Cyberlink PowerEncoder MPEG4 AVC Edition" or the
    "Elecard H264 Codec" attractive in the comparison. If
    TMPG keep to their current course, it is more than likely
    that sooner or later, the decision point will not favor their
    product.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jun 10, 2006
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    Tarkus Guest

    I do blame Pegasys, because it's trivial for "thieves" to obtain a
    cracked copy that doesn't require constant online validation. IOW,
    they're only punishing legitimate users. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
     
    Tarkus, Jun 10, 2006
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    Shawn B. Guest

    My uncle had Adobe Creative Suite 2 on his laptop. Fully legit. Been an
    Adobe fan since 1992 when Photoshop 2.0 was released and has purchased
    nearly all their products since. But the activation scheme caused
    heartaches. He would go on very important business meetings (trying to get
    investors for his company) and would end up needing to reactivate everytime
    he docked and undocked. Countless support calls later Adobe gave up on
    reissuing activation keys and resetting the count and so on. He purchased
    another CS2 but the same thing happened on a new laptop he purchased for
    that new CS2. He ended up having to revert back to an earlier version of
    the software that predates the activation Adobe chose to use.

    He asked if I could find a version for him that didn't have those problems
    and I knew I could very easily download a crack it would be over with. But
    because he is a business I wouldn't. I don't want the BSA all over him for
    it, even though he was only trying to use what he paid for (twice).

    The fact is, these overly zealous activation/phone-home anti-piracy schemes
    really don't benefit the end-user in any way, whatsoever. The thieves will
    still get the software for free and those who paid will end up on the wrong
    end of the stick. It won't reduce the cost of software because the cause of
    implementing and maintaining the protection will cost more than just leaving
    it to the pirates, so prices increase for two reasons: a) the cost of
    researching endless new protection schemes and b) once they have truly
    solved the problem, they can charge whatever they want because there won't
    be an alternate place to acquire the same software.

    I pay $2k /yr. for the Microsoft MSDN subscription, which includes
    activation keys for all the Microsoft software they make (Windows versions,
    Office, etc.) and I tolerate that (I keep buying new MSDN each year instead
    of renewing just so I can get fresh activation keys) but for all other
    software I absolutely refuse to purchase/use anything that locks to my
    machine configuration.

    My one and only bad experience was an EBook purchase. I purchased many
    ebooks, about $300 worth and I changed machines because the machine died and
    there was no way to view them or transfer them to the new machine. I
    purchased a $289 textbook that had an EBook of itself on the CD-ROM that had
    to phone home (only once) to activate so I can view the images, print, or
    copy/paste but the activation company was no longer in business so it can't
    activate. My reason for spending $289 was so I can have the ebook of the
    book. I could have just warezed it, but I chose to pay.

    Software is getting more and more facist in that manner. Libronix has the
    right idea, yes, they require phone-home activation for all the ebooks
    (thousands of $$$ I've purchased) but they give me a hard key I can use for
    all future installs anywhere I like but if my key escapes to the Internet
    then I'll lose my activation priviliges. I think that is fair. Dongles are
    a step in that same direction but hardware fails and hardware interfaces
    become obsolete.

    I will always look for an unencumbered alternative if I can. Open Source
    Software, in my eyes, is not mature enough to cater to most of my needs, but
    as a software developer, there's much I can do to help the situation and I'm
    almost ready to start developing for other non-MS platforms and OSS. Once
    more people do so, then there will always remain viable alternatives. I
    will switch industries and careers before I give my money as a consumable to
    the corporate empire for the right for me to use my own computer.


    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
    Shawn B., Jun 10, 2006
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  7. Just wait until Vista hits the street, and people's software stops
    working because some brainless utility thinks their annual (or
    monthly) renewal fees haven't been paid. The world will become
    divided into two distinct groups: slaves and rebels.
     
    Jack F. Twist, Jun 10, 2006
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    I agree with most of what has been said so far. I believe that the
    use of these authentication techniques is a major mistake for the
    software provider. But what do you expect, you can't survive as
    a business if you are trying to sell something that others give away
    free. Spending several man-years and considerable resources in
    developing a marketable product, only to see it stolen and given
    away free; provides a lot of justification to the software developer's
    position.

    Contrast this to the use of copyprotection and "Digital Rights
    Management" , where it is less about the initial purchase and
    more about a perceived "loss" of an additional purchase. To
    me this is more a matter of shortsighted greed, where the actions
    of the software developers is more a matter of survival.

    There will be, and is now, a market for good legitimate software
    that doesn't use these techniques. If there should develop a means
    to insure a reasonable return for three efforts, without using them,
    the developers would quickly drop them. They have to know how
    much we consumers dislike these techniques, I know Pegasys does
    because I've told them so, on more than one occasion; as have others.

    Companies marketing products, go to great lengths to appeal to
    potential customers. They will agonize over the color scheme of
    the box on the shelf. Spend a lot of money to establish some idea
    of what the consumer wants. Here they have their customers telling
    them they are not buying their products, because of the authentication
    scheme. It appears that they currently believe they are loosing more
    sales to the pirates, than to disgruntled consumers.

    As I've said, I think the software developers are making a mistake,
    but I can certainly can understand their need to do something. To
    the extent that these techniques work, or appear to be working, for
    the developers; in terms of insuring a return, they will be adopted by
    more and more companies. Reality, bites.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Jun 10, 2006
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    Tarkus Guest

    Then they're idiots, because their schemes do NOTHING to curtail piracy.
     
    Tarkus, Jun 10, 2006
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    Alpha Guest

    On a related note, have those of you running XP been offered the Windows
    Advantage installation? It may have happened automatically if you have auto
    updates on. It is spyware that autheticates your version of Windows and
    periodically sends Bios and Disk Drive serial number data, without
    notification, to Microsoft.

    Is this where we are going to ward of piracy? I refused it.
     
    Alpha, Jun 10, 2006
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  11. I refused it as well, partly because I'm afraid it'll break someday and
    deny me access. That's a familiar story - it's already mentioned in
    this thread, and it has happened to me with Win XP activation and
    Norton Antivirus activation on an older machine.

    There are several machines here I deal with. I have refused or advised
    the user to refuse Windows Advantage on all of them. On one of mine,
    Windows Update continues to nag me about how I have not installed an
    important security update (Windows Advantage, of course). I have not
    figured out a way to turn the nag off and I am pissed. Not enough to
    switch to Linux, but pissed anyway.
     
    Gene E. Bloch, Jun 10, 2006
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    Tarkus Guest

    I could be wrong, but I think it only comes into play when you use
    Windows Update.
     
    Tarkus, Jun 11, 2006
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    Hebee Jeebes Guest

    No authentication happens every time windows starts. Microsoft just recently
    came under fire for this. They plan to cut it back to a check a month after
    a year. At least according to some news stories I have read.

    R
     
    Hebee Jeebes, Jun 11, 2006
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    JimK Guest

    I understand if you don't except and install the Validation Tool, no
    more future security updates.
     
    JimK, Jun 11, 2006
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    Shawn B. Guest

    There are several machines here I deal with. I have refused or advised the
    Speaking of Norton, I used to use their AV until they implemented
    Activation. Lukily, I always research whether something has activation
    before I purchase or renew or upgrade. I switched to AVG on the 5-user 2
    year networked home user Enterprise license (for dirt cheap, IMO) and have
    been happy ever since.

    As with Adobe and a few others, they didn't lose business to a pirate, but
    they did lose my business because I know how I like to be treated. I know I
    am constantly changing PC configurations and even using removable primary
    hard disks (as a programmer) to test different things in different
    environments (or in VMWare/Virtual PC), I just don't want to purchase
    something and have it be a bleeding ulcer in my wallet because I'm either a)
    presumed a theif or b) the enforced licensing provisions are overly
    restricting regarding my needs.


    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
    Shawn B., Jun 11, 2006
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    Shawn B. Guest

    I could be wrong, but I think it only comes into play when you use
    Also if there's anything in their standard downloads that you might want,
    such as an SDK update or a DirectX update or something else, like Office
    update or even, a patch for the .NET runtime, is all, increasingly, checked
    by Genuine Disadvantage.


    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
    Shawn B., Jun 11, 2006
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    Tarkus Guest

    I stand corrected.
    --
    "When I was born, the doctor came out to the waiting room and said to my
    father... 'I'm very sorry.....we did everything we could.....but he
    pulled through.'" - Rodney Dangerfield

    Now playing: "Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe - And You and I"
     
    Tarkus, Jun 11, 2006
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    Shawn B. Guest

    No authentication happens every time windows starts. Microsoft just
    This really doesn't make sense. If it is authenticated once, why would it
    ever need to check again? What could possibly make it not-authentic?


    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
    Shawn B., Jun 11, 2006
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    Shawn B. Guest

    I understand if you don't except and install the Validation Tool, no
    More than that: no downloads. Say good-bye to downloading (from the
    Microsoft website) Office patches, DirectX, developers SDK's, various other
    things like clipart or SQL Server patches or media player codecs, updated
    device drivers... whatever.

    Anything that can be downloaded from the Microsoft website is increasingly
    requiring Genuine Disadvantage before allowing downloads.

    Doesn't bother me much since I pay about $2k /yr. for everything Microsoft
    makes (about 60 full DVD's worth) but for all other software vendors, it
    deeply troubles me since I don't intend to keep on paying as often as they
    will, but as often as I will, which can be once, but I'd like perpetual
    usage for that one-time purchase if I may. Otherwise, no business from me.


    Thanks,
    Shawn
     
    Shawn B., Jun 11, 2006
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    Alpha Guest

    What Microsoft needs to worry about is that no more updates means no more
    Windows. Apple anyone?
     
    Alpha, Jun 11, 2006
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