To pull or not to pull

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Mark, Jul 22, 2003.

  1. Mark

    Mark Guest

    I shot a roll of 200 ASA at 100. Should I have this pulled one stop,
    or is there little difference in the outcome?


    Mark
     
    Mark, Jul 22, 2003
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  2. Mark

    Comrade Guest

    without the capabilities of time travel, there is little difference, at
    this point


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    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 22, 2003
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  3. B&W or color negative it will make little difference.
    Because of the way ISO speeds are measured for B&W film the
    exposure is a minimum. Many find exposing an additional stop
    yields better shadow detail.
    Development time really affects contrast. While it also
    affects effective speed it does so indirectly by varying the
    low densities a small amount. No amount of pushing, for
    instance, will compensate for severe underexposure, there
    just isn't any image recorded. Recucing devlopment for
    severe overexposure can make the negagives much easier to
    print but higher contrast paper must be used to get the
    contrast back up.
    Exposure errors for reversal color are more serious
    because there is not much range of compensation for the
    reversal image. However, adjusting first development of
    reversal materials can sometimes give a useable result where
    there is an exposure error large enough to be unusable
    otherwise.
    Again, if this is B&W negative material develop it
    normally, the results will be fine.
     
    Richard Knoppow, Jul 22, 2003
    #3
  4. Mark

    zeitgeist Guest

    pulling film can cause far more problems than you are hoping to prevent,
     
    zeitgeist, Jul 22, 2003
    #4
  5. You really are a goofball.
     
    Paul Attreides, Jul 22, 2003
    #5
  6. If its color negative run it normal
    If its Color slide and you bracketed your exposures
    a 1/2 stop pull will saturate the colors somewhat at
    the top of the bracket. If you did not bracket run it normal.

    BW film you could pull half a stop but should only if the
    highlights are close to the maximum you could print like Zone
    8-9
     
    Paul Attreides, Jul 22, 2003
    #6
  7. Mark

    Comrade Guest


    if he didn't consider exposing for pull, it is not a pull situtation,
    unless he screwed up the exposure, which he didn't say, so I assumed he
    has normal exposures and wants some sort of condolescences that he didn't
    expose them differently


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    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 22, 2003
    #7
  8. Methinks you're needlessly confusing a simple situation.

    As I read the OP's question, he accidently [over]exposed ASA 200 film at 100
    (the assumption being that he *correctly* exposed it as if it were ASA 100).
    Therefore, it's a perfect candidate for pull processing.

    What part of this are you having problems with?

    --
    We are receiving alerts about a worm that is spreading around the Internet
    contained in a .zip archive file. What is surprising to security analysts
    is that this worm is spreading at all since it cannot execute without user
    intervention. Security analysts believe the rapid spread indicates that
    recipients are still opening email attachments even after they have been
    warned many times that it is unsafe to do so.

    - Description of the "Sobig.E" worm, ca. June 2003
     
    David Nebenzahl, Jul 23, 2003
    #8
  9. First and foremost your a goof ball as stated previously,
    secondly you all are a bunch of cross posting idiots,...

    I am only here to set the record straight.

    Third since when does pull processing soley hindge on how
    the film was exposed Third learn to spell. Its "elucidate".
    Lastly if anyone knows how to pull their PUD its proably
    you, you seem to be an expert on that.

    Good day.

     
    Paul Attreides, Jul 23, 2003
    #9
  10. Mark

    Serge Kozak Guest

    If it is print film don't even bother at all! If it is slide yes.


     
    Serge Kozak, Jul 23, 2003
    #10
  11. Mark

    Comrade Guest

    the man did not say he was seeking an abtract art effect, which is the
    ONLY time processing is not directly tied to exposure, touche, ruffian dog


    --
    Comrade
    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
    and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
    except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
    dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
    statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
    by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
    house cleaning of science and government is in order.

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
    (religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

    (leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

    "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

    "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

    "And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 23, 2003
    #11
  12. Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make grammatical
    or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
    others?

    -Peter De Smidt
     
    Peter De Smidt, Jul 23, 2003
    #12
  13. Mark

    Comrade Guest


    establish where I criticized grammer, semantics, or spelling

    ruffian dog

    --
    Comrade
    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
    and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
    except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
    dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
    statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
    by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
    house cleaning of science and government is in order.

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
    (religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

    (leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

    "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

    "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

    "And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 23, 2003
    #13
  14. The complete post that you're referring to went as follows:

    <original post>
    Wouldn't it be a good idea to make sure that one does not make grammatical
    or spelling mistakes in a post complaining about the mistakes in kind of
    others?

    -Peter De Smidt

    <end original post>

    Thus, unless you (ruffian dog) are Paul Attreides, I was not addressing my
    comments to you. How was this unclear?

    -Peter De Smidt
     
    Peter De Smidt, Jul 23, 2003
    #14
  15. Mark

    Comrade Guest

    matter of proletarian vigilance, I will apologize, but not concede my
    justice in such matters until proletarians do not need to be as vigilant

    --
    Comrade
    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
    and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
    except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
    dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
    statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
    by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
    house cleaning of science and government is in order.

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
    (religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

    (leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

    "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

    "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

    "And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 23, 2003
    #15

  16. He said he shot 200 speed film at 100. That's called an exposure
    difference here on planet Earth, to the english-speaking community.

    That's two threads where you not only had no idea what you were
    talking about, you got arrogant about your ignorance as well. You've got
    some good company now, down there...

    [Plonk]


    - Al.
     
    Al Denelsbeck, Jul 23, 2003
    #16
  17. Mark

    Comrade Guest

    apolly pologies


    --
    Comrade
    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
    and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
    except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
    dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
    statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
    by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
    house cleaning of science and government is in order.

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
    (religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

    (leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

    "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

    "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

    "And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
     
    Comrade, Jul 23, 2003
    #17
  18. Mark

    Comrade Guest

    now, that is a 1 stop difference

    color negative films have PLENTY of over exposure latitutude so it is best
    to overexpose some, they haev 3 or more stops over latitude and just a
    little under, maybe 1, 2 possibly

    so, it all really depends on his lighting and aperture too

    but 1 stop over, would even be better than a normal, CERTAINLY if we
    weren't dealing with a scene of dynamic range like a wedding dress and
    tuxedo situation, and if you pull then, the curves are going to cross all
    over the place, no pushable/pullable film, can deliver real good color,
    certainly not wedding quality,
    push is really a speed getter of old that died with photojournalism digital
    and pull is just a resort to save real bad exposures

    and I am sure the fine art community will speak up about B&W applications,
    etc. .... all of which abstract art is much better done in photoshop, or
    even better www.gimp.org, support a BRAVE GNU WORLD

    --
    Comrade
    see my ROAD TO THE UNITED FRONT http://www.mysolution.ws
    the aristocracy was the problem in 1776, the aristocracy is the problem today
    http://www.aclu.org/dissentreport
    Arisocrats CRUCIFIED Jesus
    we must close the door by which aristocracy arises

    Statements of supposed science, without statistics, are just as much religion,
    and ONLY statements of faith as any religion, or statement of faith,
    except they profess the supposed scientist is God, even more
    dangerous than religion or God. There is no science, without a statement of
    statistics, AND any statement without statistics, is a conjecture of faith
    by the professor of such statement, and the "believer". An ethical
    house cleaning of science and government is in order.

    "Does God want goodness? or the choice of goodness?
    Is the man who chooses bad, somehow better,
    than the man who has the good forced upon him?"
    a quote from the movie, A Clockwork Orange, Kubrick

    Enlightenment is man's release from his self-incurred tutelage.
    Tutelage is man's inability to make use of his understanding
    without direction from another. Self-incurred is this tutelage when
    its cause lies not in lack of reason but in lack of resolution
    and courage to use it without direction from another. Sapere aude!
    "Have courage to use your own reason!" - that is the motto
    of enlightenment.
    Kant -- What Is Enlightenment? 1784

    "It all sums up into one single purpose,
    the abolition of dog-eat-dog under which we live...
    and I traveled the United Front road to get it."
    -- Roger Baldwin, Co-Founder ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union)

    "Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in
    Timothy Leary's dead, No No No No, He's outside, looking in"
    MOODY BLUES

    "Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:6
    (religious and political leaders that are hypocrites)

    (leaven is yeast, AIR IN BREAD, bullshit, fluff, marketing, snake oil - HYPOCRISY)

    "How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees."--Matthew 16:11-12

    "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."--Matthew 23:13

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation."--Matthew 23:14

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves."--Matthew 23:15

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone."--Matthew 23:23

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess."--Matthew 23:25

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."--Matthew 23:27

    "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,"--Matthew 23:29

    "And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod."--Mark 8:15

    "And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,"--Mark 12:38


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    Comrade, Jul 23, 2003
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  19. Mark

    Ken Hart Guest

    Probably not an issue. If it's (actual, not C-41) B&W, you might consider
    it; the contrast will probably be a bit low, otherwise it will probably be a
    bit dense to print. If color print, pulling will probably cause more of a
    problem with color balance. In either case, I wouldn't sweat one stop. If
    it's slide film, you're screwed (sorry!).

    Ken Hart
     
    Ken Hart, Jul 24, 2003
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  20. Spoken like someone who shoots little or no slide film. Most slide films at least rate
    a half stop less than the rated asa if not a full stop. If he bracketed the exposures he'll
    be fine without the pull, at worst case maybe pulling a 1/4 or half stop will
    actually decrease contrast and increase the saturation.
     
    Gregory W. Blank, Jul 24, 2003
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