Took the M for a stroll

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    android Guest

    android, Dec 30, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    My only comment is "Why did you take it?".

    Normally, I'd critique an image only if I see something good and
    something that could be improved. I wouldn't comment on a photograph
    that has no redeeming value.

    But, here you've invited comments and even said you "worked" on the
    post. I can't understand why you'd bother.

    Surely, there was some interesting photographable scene around that
    day. The camera may have passed your test, but the operator of the
    camera failed.
     
    Tony Cooper, Dec 30, 2013
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    android Guest

    There was some frames left on the roll.
    That's a comment!
    I found the color of the wood interesting.
    Yup!

    The camera may have passed your test, but the operator of the
    I'm stumped!
     
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    The color that seemed strange to me was the color of the pathways. On
    my screen they are almost purple. That may be an accurate rendition of
    the color, but I don't know what material would result in purple
    paths.
    Well, log in with an interesting photo scene. Branch out and find
    something more deserving of your camera. Go out on a limb and leave
    the mundane uncaptured or leave the camera in the trunk.

    Sorry for barking at you.
     
    Tony Cooper, Dec 30, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | The color that seemed strange to me was the color of the pathways. On
    | my screen they are almost purple. That may be an accurate rendition of
    | the color, but I don't know what material would result in purple
    | paths.

    Digital media are so frustrating that way. It all depends
    on display. I see what looks like dark gray mud. The colors
    look very accurate on my screen. (Especially if this was a
    late-day shot, with a bit of extra red light.) And I like the color
    of the wood. It's an intense, bright, playful "waterfall" of
    color in an otherwise drab landscape. I also like the tension
    of ambiguity: Is it destructiveness or industriousness that
    has struck an otherwise unremarkable locale? (Setting aside
    the woodsman's deductive reasoning and just looking at
    the image.)

    ... But maybe I'm reading too much into it. :)
     
    Mayayana, Dec 30, 2013
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    android Guest

    That would be asphalt... I'll bring the colorchecker along the next time
    since it's hard to get right. We also have rock thats naturally pink!
    I heard no dog!
     
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    android Guest

    I think that that tree had to go. Half the picture is always in the
    observers head... :)
     
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    Savageduck Guest

    There had to be an exposure #1 on the camera, and there wasn't a baby,
    cat, dog, or street performer available.
    As Android said, it was the first RAW file from that camera that he has
    processed. If he hadn't taken that shot it might have taken months to
    find a subject worthy of that first shot.
    As a first test image it is OK I guess. However, subject aside, there
    is a dull quality which might be a result of local light conditions. I
    get the color in the cut wood, but to my eye it just doesn't, for want
    of a better word, "POP".
     
    Savageduck, Dec 30, 2013
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    android Guest

    It was not first taken with the camera but the first raw that I brought
    out with the eos utility and decided to process. Hence the number. I
    think that I'll go back to the cardreader....
    I didn't go for "POP" put I appreciate your opinion as well as the
    opinions of others that posted comments. I might try that later.

    Thank you all for sharing.
     
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    Really? Months to find an interesting photo? I just took some test
    shots with a used Nikon D50 body and 26/80 lens that I picked up for
    pennies at a yard sale. I wouldn't post one, though, because they are
    just test shots.

    I don't normally stop at yard sales, but this guy had a tripod for
    sale that I noticed as I drove by. I was going to buy the tripod for a
    garage tripod so I don't have to bring in my regular one from the car,
    but it was not in good enough shape even for that.
    I'm not really bothered by the shot, but it did surprise me to see
    something so blah posted here. I know that Android is capable of
    coming up with something better.

    December has been an up-and-down month for me photographically. Some
    good Christmas shots of family members, but not much in the way of
    hobby shots. This one was taken yesterday in a downtown lakeside
    park. Not a particularly good composition, but the juxtaposition of a
    homeless lady and what she's holding was at least interesting.

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Current-Shots/i-gHqWw6S/0/X2/2013-12-29-3-X2.jpg

    This kind of shot has to be done on the fly. Not much of a chance to
    compose or change settings because once she puts down what's in her
    hand there's nothing of interest. She did drop it right after that
    shot.

    Normally I go for front views with candids. Like this, which I've
    titled "Look Alikes" taken in the same park on a different day:

    http://tonycooper.smugmug.com/Current-Shots/i-HGpnhts/0/XL/2013-12-01-12-XL.jpg
     
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    Savageduck Guest

    Just to try to illustrate what I am trying to say, I tried an
    adjustment of the image for myself.
    I opened the JPEG in PS and just used the "Camera RAW Filter" to make
    some adjustments in the "Basic" panel.
    Looking at the histogram the original JPEG is very much to the left.
    So, I pushed the exposure up a bit, set "black" & "white" points, and
    that moved the histogram slightly to the right. If you look at the
    numbers next to the adjustment sliders anything other than "0" is an
    adjustment I have made.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_490c.jpg >

    ....and here is a comparison with the original JPEG. The difference is
    subtle, but to my eye a needed tweak.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_491.jpg >
     
    Savageduck, Dec 30, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Hyperbole Tony, hyperbole.
    ....but Android did post this one and he left himself open to comment,
    and we obliged him.
    I think a little understanding of his purpose was needed here.
    For me it has been strictly down. I haven't found good targets anywhere. :-(
    Yup! You have just got to love the incongruity of that individual and
    the skateboard.
    Nice capture.
    Perfect characterization!
     
    Savageduck, Dec 30, 2013
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    android Guest

    Thanks for your confidence. :)
     
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    android Guest

    You've has chosen a brighter rendering. And sharpened it a bit more too.
    I've risen the midtones, dodged the topleft and sharpened it a tad
    harder. Do you like it better now?
     
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    android Guest

    You've has chosen a brighter rendering. And sharpened it a bit more too.
    I've risen the midtones, dodged the topleft and sharpened it a tad
    harder. Do you like it better now?
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kft38f3pjfl89yt/EOS M_0001-2.jpg
     
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    Savageduck Guest

    This is obviously experimental, and you are not going to make a purse
    out of a sow's ear with this shot.

    Both of the renditions above still have a murkiness about them even
    after your midtone & sharpening adjustments. If your intent is to bring
    out the sawn tree and deemphasize the surrounding area then using a
    vignette over an exposure adjustment to the right is going to be better
    than dodging. Though there is always a time for dodging, I don't think
    this is one of those.
    With this version I got a vignette effect by applying the "radial Grad"
    filter in the "Camera Raw filter", so I could deal with the off center
    subject.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/EOS M_0001-1E2c.jpg >

    There is one thing I have to agree with Tony on, it would have been
    nicer if you had managed to get a more interesting shot for this
    exercise. You have a capable camera, now let's see what it can do.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 30, 2013
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    android Guest

    That maybe but it felt appropriate today...
    Interesting, I believe that the Region Mode i LZ can be used for that. I
    used RM but from the corners in to get the dodging effect.
    Thanks for taking the time to post and illustrate your opinions.
     
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    android Guest

    Last edit: Should have aded some more sharpening.... Here's the last one.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/pa7tuhv9jeud93n/EOS M_0001-4.jpg

    Thanks all for your input.
     
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    I am still unimpressed. It's just a jumble.

    That very top log seems to have a pattern in it that incorporates
    colors from a light orange to a dark orange to a reddish-brown. I
    think I might try a frame-filling close-up of that log with a bit of
    the log right below it to add texture. It would be almost an abstract
    image.

    But then I don't know what you were trying to accomplish in your test.

    When I was teaching my daughter the fundamentals of photography when
    she was a young teen, I'd take her somewhere - a field, for example -
    and tell her to stand exactly where she was and find a photograph. She
    could go for a wide shot or a close-up. We'd move up to a structure
    of some sort and do the same thing. She began to understand
    composition from just standing next to and close to a barn wall, for
    example, and shooting boards or corners of doors or windows.

    It's amazing how you can come up with something in any scene if you
    really look closely at the scene.

    This exercise helped her understand how to look for an image, and how
    to use the camera settings to affect that image. She'd get down to
    ground level and shoot a profile of a weed or thistle, and see how
    depth of field affected the image. She also learned metering when
    something was up against the sky and how it was different from the
    barn wall.

    It was more difficult in those days because we were shooting film. We
    couldn't see the results instantly as we can with digital. We
    couldn't view the EXIF superimposed on the image to know what worked
    and what didn't. We were looking at results days after the shoot and
    trying to remember the conditions.
     
    Tony Cooper, Dec 30, 2013
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