Took the M for a stroll

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    android Guest

    Colorblind people almost always have SOME sense of color. That means
    that they see a limited spectrum and perceive reality differently. Their
    world are different and colors relate differently to each other in it. I
    think that its fascinating unless they are obsessed with pesuing a carer
    as electricians or something like that...
     
    android, Dec 31, 2013
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    android Guest

    Colorblind people almost always have SOME sense of color. That means
    that they see a limited spectrum and perceive reality differently. Their
    world are different and colors relate differently to each other in it. I
    think that its fascinating unless they are obsessed with pursuing a
    carer
    as electricians or something like that...
     
    android, Dec 31, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>,
    :
    : >
    : > > As it says. This is the first raw that I've processed from this
    : > > camera. I worked with LightZone. I've decided to go manual for now,
    : > > in part because of the slow AF on the 22mm. Feel free to pass your
    : > > judgment on this piece!
    : > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/nfbzqfamxm515gt/EOS M_0001-1.jpg
    : >
    : > A lot of things can be done in post:
    : >
    : > http://sandman.net/files/photos/android_treestumps.jpg
    :
    : Not bad. Did you have WW3 in mind???

    WW3 (the "Cold War") has already been fought. We're now in WW4, the perpetual
    "War on Terror". The next available designation for any further cataclysm is
    "WW5".

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 31, 2013
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    android Guest

    That's an opinion.
     
    android, Dec 31, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On 2013-12-30 16:48:01 +0000, Savageduck <savage[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com> said:
    :
    : > On 2013-12-30 14:13:49 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    : >
    : >>
    : >>> As it says. This is the first raw that I've processed from this camera.
    : >>> I worked with LightZone.
    : >>> I've decided to go manual for now, in part because of the slow AF on the
    : >>> 22mm.
    : >>> Feel free to pass your judgment on this piece!
    : >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nfbzqfamxm515gt/EOS M_0001-1.jpg
    : >>
    : >> My only comment is "Why did you take it?".
    : >
    : > There had to be an exposure #1 on the camera, and there wasn't a baby,
    : > cat, dog, or street performer available.
    : >
    : >> Normally, I'd critique an image only if I see something good and
    : >> something that could be improved. I wouldn't comment on a photograph
    : >> that has no redeeming value.
    : >>
    : >> But, here you've invited comments and even said you "worked" on the
    : >> post. I can't understand why you'd bother.
    : >
    : > As Android said, it was the first RAW file from that camera that he has
    : > processed. If he hadn't taken that shot it might have taken months to
    : > find a subject worthy of that first shot.
    : >
    : >> Surely, there was some interesting photographable scene around that
    : >> day. The camera may have passed your test, but the operator of the
    : >> camera failed.
    : >
    : > As a first test image it is OK I guess. However, subject aside, there
    : > is a dull quality which might be a result of local light conditions. I
    : > get the color in the cut wood, but to my eye it just doesn't, for want
    : > of a better word, "POP".
    :
    : Just to try to illustrate what I am trying to say, I tried an
    : adjustment of the image for myself.
    : I opened the JPEG in PS and just used the "Camera RAW Filter" to make
    : some adjustments in the "Basic" panel.
    : Looking at the histogram the original JPEG is very much to the left.
    : So, I pushed the exposure up a bit, set "black" & "white" points, and
    : that moved the histogram slightly to the right. If you look at the
    : numbers next to the adjustment sliders anything other than "0" is an
    : adjustment I have made.
    : < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_490c.jpg >

    But how is that an improvement? If anything, it gives greater emphasis to the
    hazy, drab conditions and the dull, flat background. Despite their somewhat
    oversaturated look, I think I like Jonas's edits better.

    : ...and here is a comparison with the original JPEG. The difference is
    : subtle, but to my eye a needed tweak.
    : < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_491.jpg >

    I guess I just don't see it.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 31, 2013
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <[email protected]>,
    :
    : > On 2013-12-30 16:48:01 +0000, Savageduck <[email protected]{REMOVESPAM}me.com>
    : > said:
    : >
    : > > On 2013-12-30 14:13:49 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    : > >
    : > >>
    : > >>> As it says. This is the first raw that I've processed from this camera.
    : > >>> I worked with LightZone.
    : > >>> I've decided to go manual for now, in part because of the slow AF on the
    : > >>> 22mm.
    : > >>> Feel free to pass your judgment on this piece!
    : > >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/nfbzqfamxm515gt/EOS M_0001-1.jpg
    : > >>
    : > >> My only comment is "Why did you take it?".
    : > >
    : > > There had to be an exposure #1 on the camera, and there wasn't a baby,
    : > > cat, dog, or street performer available.
    : > >
    : > >> Normally, I'd critique an image only if I see something good and
    : > >> something that could be improved. I wouldn't comment on a photograph
    : > >> that has no redeeming value.
    : > >>
    : > >> But, here you've invited comments and even said you "worked" on the
    : > >> post. I can't understand why you'd bother.
    : > >
    : > > As Android said, it was the first RAW file from that camera that he has
    : > > processed. If he hadn't taken that shot it might have taken months to
    : > > find a subject worthy of that first shot.
    : > >
    : > >> Surely, there was some interesting photographable scene around that
    : > >> day. The camera may have passed your test, but the operator of the
    : > >> camera failed.
    : > >
    : > > As a first test image it is OK I guess. However, subject aside, there
    : > > is a dull quality which might be a result of local light conditions. I
    : > > get the color in the cut wood, but to my eye it just doesn't, for want
    : > > of a better word, "POP".
    : >
    : > Just to try to illustrate what I am trying to say, I tried an
    : > adjustment of the image for myself.
    : > I opened the JPEG in PS and just used the "Camera RAW Filter" to make
    : > some adjustments in the "Basic" panel.
    : > Looking at the histogram the original JPEG is very much to the left.
    : > So, I pushed the exposure up a bit, set "black" & "white" points, and
    : > that moved the histogram slightly to the right. If you look at the
    : > numbers next to the adjustment sliders anything other than "0" is an
    : > adjustment I have made.
    : > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_490c.jpg >
    : >
    : > ...and here is a comparison with the original JPEG. The difference is
    : > subtle, but to my eye a needed tweak.
    : > < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_491.jpg >
    :
    : You've has chosen a brighter rendering. And sharpened it a bit more too.
    : I've risen the midtones, dodged the topleft and sharpened it a tad
    : harder. Do you like it better now?

    Erk!! Are you saying that you edited the image in place? Then as a relative
    latecomer to this thread, I literally don't know what I'm talking about. If
    that's the way it is, forget about my other comments; I disavow them all.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 31, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    It's just an exercise from a problematic starting point Bob.
     
    Savageduck, Dec 31, 2013
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    Eric Stevens Guest

    I still think it needs cropping.
     
    Eric Stevens, Dec 31, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Your grasp on the English language is as loose as always.
     
    Sandman, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    I've retuned to the site with the colorchecker. Here's the CR2, jpeg
    straight out of DPP and a jpeg out of LightZone with a base profile.
    Have fun eyeballing! ;-)
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5pvktbwyihi9a9j/1NFZeJqLaK
     
    android, Jan 1, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    You are commenting on personal aspects, and the rest of us are
    commenting on the photograph.

    Who's the troll?
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    I've retuned to the site with the colorchecker. Here's the CR2, jpeg
    straight out of DPP and a jpeg out of LightZone with a base profile.
    Have fun eyeballing! ;-)
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5pvktbwyihi9a9j/1NFZeJqLaK
     
    android, Jan 1, 2014
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>,
    :
    : > On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:16:54 -0500, "Mayayana"
    : >
    : > >| I downloaded the original and found the path is
    : > >| R=98, G=97, and B=13. That's kinda bluish-gray more than purple, but
    : > >| I have trouble naming a color. I would expect an asphalt path to be
    : > >| more black than it is. Black is 0-0-0.
    : > >|
    : > >
    : > > Did you perhaps mean B=113?
    : >
    : > Yes, it is B=113. My typo.
    : >
    : > >98/97/13 (H62610D)
    : > >is something I'd call olive/bile. I find numerous hues
    : > >in about the ratio of 98/97/113. I see that as a slate
    : > >gray -- slightly bluish, as you say.
    : >
    : > I have a terrible time identifying color with words. "Olive", for
    : > example, could describe a range of green. Some might think olive is a
    : > dark green and some might think of it as a lighter green.
    : >
    : >
    : > > It's an interesting issue. First there's the problem of
    : > >different OS/monitors/monitor calibration. (I always
    : > >reduce the gamma/brightness on my monitor because
    : > >the default settings seem washed out.) Then on top
    : > >of that there's terminology. (One person's peach is
    : > >another person's coral.) Then on top of *that* there's
    : > >the eye itself. I had a friend who once took up oil
    : > >painting and was surprisingly talented. He painted odd
    : > >colors, like purple pears in a still life, for instance. But
    : > >the paintings looked right. It just looked like he had
    : > >bought some purple pears to use for subject matter.
    : > >It turned out that he was profoundly color blind and
    : > >had never known it.
    : > >
    :
    : I've retuned to the site with the colorchecker. Here's the CR2, jpeg
    : straight out of DPP and a jpeg out of LightZone with a base profile.
    : Have fun eyeballing! ;-)
    : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5pvktbwyihi9a9j/1NFZeJqLaK

    In DPP, try the following ...
    Bring the left bar of the histogram in to about -3.8 (the beginning of the
    upslope).
    Set the strength of your unsharp mask to 5.
    Set the white balance to "Shade".
    Increase the brightness by 0.33 (a third of a stop).
    .... and see what you think.

    Have you posted the .CR2 of your original image?

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    Nope. I posted this as a favor to Tony. So that he could get his eyes
    sorted... ;-)
     
    android, Jan 1, 2014
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    While I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure what to with the image.
    The asphalt is less blue-gray than in the other photos, though.
     
    Tony Cooper, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    Another day, another light...
     
    android, Jan 1, 2014
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>,
    :
    : >
    : > >In article <>,
    : > >
    : > >> : In article <>,
    : > >> :
    : > >> : > On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:16:54 -0500, "Mayayana"
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : > >| I downloaded the original and found the path is
    : > >> : > >| R=98, G=97, and B=13. That's kinda bluish-gray more than purple,
    : > >> : > >| but
    : > >> : > >| I have trouble naming a color. I would expect an asphalt path to
    : > >> : > >| be
    : > >> : > >| more black than it is. Black is 0-0-0.
    : > >> : > >|
    : > >> : > >
    : > >> : > > Did you perhaps mean B=113?
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : > Yes, it is B=113. My typo.
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : > >98/97/13 (H62610D)
    : > >> : > >is something I'd call olive/bile. I find numerous hues
    : > >> : > >in about the ratio of 98/97/113. I see that as a slate
    : > >> : > >gray -- slightly bluish, as you say.
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : > I have a terrible time identifying color with words. "Olive", for
    : > >> : > example, could describe a range of green. Some might think olive is a
    : > >> : > dark green and some might think of it as a lighter green.
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : >
    : > >> : > > It's an interesting issue. First there's the problem of
    : > >> : > >different OS/monitors/monitor calibration. (I always
    : > >> : > >reduce the gamma/brightness on my monitor because
    : > >> : > >the default settings seem washed out.) Then on top
    : > >> : > >of that there's terminology. (One person's peach is
    : > >> : > >another person's coral.) Then on top of *that* there's
    : > >> : > >the eye itself. I had a friend who once took up oil
    : > >> : > >painting and was surprisingly talented. He painted odd
    : > >> : > >colors, like purple pears in a still life, for instance. But
    : > >> : > >the paintings looked right. It just looked like he had
    : > >> : > >bought some purple pears to use for subject matter.
    : > >> : > >It turned out that he was profoundly color blind and
    : > >> : > >had never known it.
    : > >> : > >
    : > >> :
    : > >> : I've retuned to the site with the colorchecker. Here's the CR2, jpeg
    : > >> : straight out of DPP and a jpeg out of LightZone with a base profile.
    : > >> : Have fun eyeballing! ;-)
    : > >> : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5pvktbwyihi9a9j/1NFZeJqLaK
    : > >>
    : > >> In DPP, try the following ...
    : > >> Bring the left bar of the histogram in to about -3.8 (the beginning of the
    : > >> upslope).
    : > >> Set the strength of your unsharp mask to 5.
    : > >> Set the white balance to "Shade".
    : > >> Increase the brightness by 0.33 (a third of a stop).
    : > >> ... and see what you think.
    : > >>
    : > >> Have you posted the .CR2 of your original image?
    : > >
    : > >Nope. I posted this as a favor to Tony. So that he could get his eyes
    : > >sorted... ;-)
    : >
    : > While I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure what to with the image.
    :
    : Oki...
    :
    : > The asphalt is less blue-gray than in the other photos, though.
    :
    : Another day, another light...

    Seriously, try the corrections in DPP that I proposed above. It'll take you
    about two minutes, and I think it helps at least as much as any of the other
    fixes that have been proposed. Just my opinion, of course.

    Whether those corrections would work as well on the original image is another
    question, of course. I can't claim that, since I haven't seen its CR2.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    My turn to appreciate an effort but I posted those last files as a
    courtesy and wanted Tony to have a "factory" output for reference.
    I have no plans to use DPP in my standard workflow. :)
     
    android, Jan 1, 2014
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : In article <>,
    :
    : > : In article <>,
    : > :
    : > : >
    : > : > >In article <>,
    : > : > >
    : > : > >> : In article <>,
    : > : > >> :
    : > : > >> : > On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:16:54 -0500, "Mayayana"
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : > >| I downloaded the original and found the path is
    : > : > >> : > >| R=98, G=97, and B=13. That's kinda bluish-gray more than
    : > : > >> : > >| purple,
    : > : > >> : > >| but
    : > : > >> : > >| I have trouble naming a color. I would expect an asphalt path
    : > : > >> : > >| to
    : > : > >> : > >| be
    : > : > >> : > >| more black than it is. Black is 0-0-0.
    : > : > >> : > >|
    : > : > >> : > >
    : > : > >> : > > Did you perhaps mean B=113?
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : > Yes, it is B=113. My typo.
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : > >98/97/13 (H62610D)
    : > : > >> : > >is something I'd call olive/bile. I find numerous hues
    : > : > >> : > >in about the ratio of 98/97/113. I see that as a slate
    : > : > >> : > >gray -- slightly bluish, as you say.
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : > I have a terrible time identifying color with words. "Olive", for
    : > : > >> : > example, could describe a range of green. Some might think olive
    : > : > >> : > is a
    : > : > >> : > dark green and some might think of it as a lighter green.
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : >
    : > : > >> : > > It's an interesting issue. First there's the problem of
    : > : > >> : > >different OS/monitors/monitor calibration. (I always
    : > : > >> : > >reduce the gamma/brightness on my monitor because
    : > : > >> : > >the default settings seem washed out.) Then on top
    : > : > >> : > >of that there's terminology. (One person's peach is
    : > : > >> : > >another person's coral.) Then on top of *that* there's
    : > : > >> : > >the eye itself. I had a friend who once took up oil
    : > : > >> : > >painting and was surprisingly talented. He painted odd
    : > : > >> : > >colors, like purple pears in a still life, for instance. But
    : > : > >> : > >the paintings looked right. It just looked like he had
    : > : > >> : > >bought some purple pears to use for subject matter.
    : > : > >> : > >It turned out that he was profoundly color blind and
    : > : > >> : > >had never known it.
    : > : > >> : > >
    : > : > >> :
    : > : > >> : I've retuned to the site with the colorchecker. Here's the CR2, jpeg
    : > : > >> : straight out of DPP and a jpeg out of LightZone with a base profile.
    : > : > >> : Have fun eyeballing! ;-)
    : > : > >> : https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5pvktbwyihi9a9j/1NFZeJqLaK
    : > : > >>
    : > : > >> In DPP, try the following ...
    : > : > >> Bring the left bar of the histogram in to about -3.8 (the beginning of
    : > : > >> the
    : > : > >> upslope).
    : > : > >> Set the strength of your unsharp mask to 5.
    : > : > >> Set the white balance to "Shade".
    : > : > >> Increase the brightness by 0.33 (a third of a stop).
    : > : > >> ... and see what you think.
    : > : > >>
    : > : > >> Have you posted the .CR2 of your original image?
    : > : > >
    : > : > >Nope. I posted this as a favor to Tony. So that he could get his eyes
    : > : > >sorted... ;-)
    : > : >
    : > : > While I appreciate the effort, I'm not sure what to with the image.
    : > :
    : > : Oki...
    : > :
    : > : > The asphalt is less blue-gray than in the other photos, though.
    : > :
    : > : Another day, another light...
    : >
    : > Seriously, try the corrections in DPP that I proposed above. It'll take you
    : > about two minutes, and I think it helps at least as much as any of the other
    : > fixes that have been proposed. Just my opinion, of course.
    : >
    : > Whether those corrections would work as well on the original image is another
    : > question, of course. I can't claim that, since I haven't seen its CR2.
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : My turn to appreciate an effort but I posted those last files as a
    : courtesy and wanted Tony to have a "factory" output for reference.
    : I have no plans to use DPP in my standard workflow. :)

    That's beside the point. If a given set of corrections in DPP improves the
    image, it's a straightforward exercise to translate that into what you might
    want to do in the editor that you do use.

    You are, of course, free to accept the image as it is. But though some of the
    others may have been boorish or patronizing in their comments about it,
    fundamentally they're right: the image is technically deficient, with color
    values that are decidedly off. You must have suspected that, or you wouldn't
    have asked.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jan 1, 2014
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    android Guest

    I din't use DPP for the originally posted picture. Tony had an issue
    with the colors and these supplemental files showed that they were
    correctly rendered.
     
    android, Jan 2, 2014
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