Transfering Analogue Video > Panasonic E95 > DVD > Web?

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    CJB Guest

    Transfering Analogue Video > Panasonic E95 > DVD > Web ?

    Please can someone advise me. My ultimate goal is to upload analogue
    video footage onto a web server.

    Right now I have a Panasonic E95 which I have used to capture the
    analogue footage and convert it to digital using SP mode. I have edited
    and burnt this footage onto a finalised DVD-R disk and also onto a
    DVD-RAM disk.

    Both disks play back OK on the E95. The DVD-R disk plays back OK on my
    Pioneer DVD player.

    Unfortunately however when I put these disks into the CD drive on my
    W'XP computer Windows Explorer refuses to recognise that there is
    anything there. In fact it commands "Insert Disk into Drive" (or
    something like that).

    What do I now need to do to make at least the DVD-RAM disk recognised
    by Windows, and better still to be able to upload the digital footage
    onto the hard drive and thereby upload it onto a web-based server?
     
    CJB, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Your prime need is obviously a PC drive that will support both DVD-RAM
    and DVD-R. I'd suggest that you have a look at the Panasonic (Matsui)
    SW-9573-C (about £118 plus VAT). Alternatively, if you have either/or
    firewire/USB2 you could go for an external Panasonic (Matsui) SW-9583-C
    (about £123 plus VAT). Both of these are "combi" drives, which (in
    addition to the DVD support) give you full CD functionality. With the
    former (internal), if you have a spare drive bay in your PC you could
    keep your current CD drive. I might in passing mention that I've
    replaced my CD drive with an inexpensive NEC DVD RW ND-2500 combi that
    reads/writes just about anything other than DVD-RAM. This allows me to
    easily "dupe" DVD-R and DVD-RAM onto either DVD-R or DVD+R (as well as
    give me full CD functionality).

    You don't mention what version of Windows you are running. If you're
    running XP then XP should include driver support for these drives, but
    the Panasonic drives do come with drivers on CD.

    If you are intending to distribute your video over the web, IMHO the
    best is the Real/Helix option. You can get details here:
    http://www.realnetworks.com/audience/index.html. This gives what is
    called "streaming video".

    Other options include Quicktime and MPEG-4, one option for creating
    these distros is Quicktime 6 Pro.

    A number of video editor programs include support for various
    distribution formats.

    Finally, if you want to distribute video in a way that people can
    download and burn their own VCD/SVCD/DVDs, you might be advised to
    create RAR/PAR sets, upload them to one of the 'alt.binary' newsgroups,
    and let folk know by e-mail where to find them. Again most video editors
    allow you to produce VCD, SVCD and many allow DVD distro production. For
    RAR/PAR sets you'll need WinRAR and QuickPAR. People downloading will
    also need these utilities to rebuild the video to allow them to burn
    onto CD/DVD. This last option gives good quality video, but the download
    times are relatively long - even with broadband.

    I should perhaps add that there are other distribution options. Other's
    will no doubt come in here.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    Thank you very much Tony. Can I buy an external DVD-RAM / DVD-R player
    / recorder that will plug into the USP port much like a RAM drive? If
    so I guess my problems might be solved!! Cheers - Chris B.
     
    CJB, May 24, 2005
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    Dave R Guest

    You can buy an external enclosure to fit the drive into, which will allow
    hot swapping of the device via USB, must like a RAM drive.

    I wouldn't go for the recommended Panasonic though. There are much
    cheaper options around.
     
    Dave R, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    You *must* use a USB2 port for an external - USB(1) is too slow.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Which one's (that are cheaper) support DVD-RAM?
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I should perhaps have added Dave, that the LG GSA 4082B (for example)
    will set you back about £400.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    I've just reflecting on what you've suggested, and it's occurred to me
    that you'd be hard pressed to buy an external enclosure with firewire
    and/or USB2 for £5 (the difference between the SW-9583 and the SW-9573).
     
    Tony Morgan, May 24, 2005
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    Simon Patten Guest

    Eeek! Better to go for the Pioneer DVR-109 which will read and write
    all CD-R and DVD-R/+R formats and can read DVD-RAM (non-cartridge,
    Version 2 - 2.1 only). £35.99 inc VAT for the internal drive or £69.98
    inc VAT for the external version from:
    http://www.blankdiscshop.co.uk/acatalog/drivescddvd.html
    This is actually the hardest part of the problem and it depends on
    whether the OP wants to distribute it publicly or privately. Finding
    web space with sufficient bandwidth to share decent quality video will
    be tricky. I'll be interested to see what options people suggest too.
    All I can think of is that http://1and1.com offers quite a good deal;
    it's in the US but is better and cheaper than their UK subsidiary.

    Simon.
     
    Simon Patten, May 24, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, Simon Patten
    IME Simon, few people will even consider downloading a sizeable binary
    if it is unidentified in the .nfo file from a non-porn and non-movie
    binary newsgroup. There are a good few alt.binary.* newsgroups that
    rarely (if ever) have any posts in - and subsequently unlikely to be
    subscribed to.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 25, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    So OK - thanks for the help.

    The analogue conversion of VHS to digital using the E95 and then stored
    on its HDD is superb . No messing around with capture parameters etc.
    And the results burnt to DVD_RAM and DVD-R are also equal to the
    original.

    Hmm - USB2 - I'll have to see what I have.

    And it looks like the Panasonic external multi-format drive is what I
    need (if I have a USB2 port). Not too expensive.

    But I don't need to upload video footage in bianry form to the
    newsgroups, and I ain't into porno. The subject matter is actually
    traditional English and Irish dance!!

    Actually when transferred in DVD-RAM format (whatever that is as burnt
    by the Panasonic E95 - MPEG2 / 4?) to the PC I then need to convert
    this to a highly compressed format either as a single file (smallish)
    or for video streaming. I already have an ISP lined up.

    I also want to create a small animated gif as a 'teezer' for the main
    web page.

    Cheers - Chris B.
     
    CJB, May 25, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    Tried to read the DVD disks produced by my E95 with a DVD/CD Writer on
    a PC.

    BUT - it wouldn't even consider reading the DVD-RAM disk, which I need
    it to do in order to retain quality.

    However it DID read the DVD-R disk. There was a folder called \VIDEO_TS
    In this there were the following files:

    VIDEO_TS.BUP
    VIDEO_TS.VOB
    VIDEO_TS.IFO
    VTS_01_0.BUP
    VTS_01_1.VOB
    VTS_01_2.VOB

    I copied these OK to my PC.

    Unfortunately though Windows Media Player wouldn't touch them. Do I
    need a codec to play these on a PC. Better still I'd like edit them
    with WMP.

    Then there is the problem with the DVD-RAM disk - but that's another
    matter!!

    Cheers - Chris B.
     
    CJB, May 25, 2005
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    Tony Morgan Guest

    Realplayer should run them.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 25, 2005
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    Dave R Guest

    How so? Does the E95 create the files in a different manner? Surely they
    are still MPEG2 videos.
    These are the files created in the process of building a DVD. The video,
    audio, menus, subtitles etc, are multiplexed (merged) into the files that
    you see.
    In order to play "them", you'll need a software DVD player like PowerDVD,
    WinDVD or something like that. You should have had one with your DVD-ROM,
    but I guess that depends on the manufacturer.

    If you want the original video and audio you will need to de-multiplex the
    VOB files. Then you'll need an editor that can handle MPEG files, and
    there are plenty around with varying degrees of functionality.
     
    Dave R, May 25, 2005
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    Simon Patten Guest

    No, most PC DVD drives won't.
    Download VideoReDo (www.videoredo.com) which will load VOB files, let
    you edit them, and then save them as DVD compliant MPG.
     
    Simon Patten, May 25, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    "Download VideoReDo (www.videoredo.com) which will load VOB files, let
    you edit them, and then save them as DVD compliant MPG."

    Thank you - sounds exactly what I need!!

    However I am a bit disappointed that I can't use DVD-RAM since I
    thought that that was designed for importing to a PC ready for
    converting and compressing but retaining maximum definition. Having to
    use a an already compressed format such as DVD-R will mean that I'll
    lose an amount of detail.

    Cheers - Chris B.
     
    CJB, May 25, 2005
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    Dave R Guest

    I think you need to take stock of your definitions.

    DVD-R is a disc format. It does not specify what kind of data is put onto
    it.

    DVD-RAM is another disc format. Ditto for it's data.

    DVD-Video uses compressed video in MPEG2 format. You can put the files
    that make up a DVD-Video onto DVD-R, DVD+R, DVD-RAM, etc. In any case,
    the video files themselves will be the same.

    DVD-RAM is intended to act just like a hard disc, you can add, modify and
    delete individual files. It's ideal for backups, or home use DVD
    recorders. To use DVD-RAM discs, you need a DVD drive that specifically
    understands the DVD-RAM format.

    From what I know about these stand alone DVD-recorders, they simply record
    the video and audio that you feed it. The video will be in MPEG2 format,
    so it's compressed already, it doesn't matter what disc you put it on.
    I'm sure someone here will correct me if I'm wrong, which I would welcome.
     
    Dave R, May 26, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    Ok thank you. Hmm - confusing. So you say that when I play analogue
    into say a stand-alone DVD recorder with hard drive then the footage is
    converted to MPEG2 regardless. This is a 'lossy' format isn't it? It is
    possible to choose between XP, SP, LP and EP - so I guess that defines
    the percentage of detail lost.

    Then when I burn a DVD-R or DVD-RAM disk the very same files get
    transferred but in a different recording format - but the data remains
    the same.

    So given that I am able to read DVD-R disks I can copy the said files
    to my PC hard drive. They have extensions as VOB, IFO, etc.

    What I need to do now is to convert them into AVI or MPEG or Qucktime
    or RealVideo or WMA whatever.

    Unfortunately Windows Movie Maker and Windows Media Player do not
    recognise these. So I need some other package to do this?

    What's the best format(s) for burning to CD and/or uploading to a web
    server with a link from a web page for anyone wishing to view the said
    video file?

    Many thanks - Chris B.
     
    CJB, May 26, 2005
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    Dave R Guest

    Yes. But some/most people don't even notice. DVDs use MPEG2, but with
    a high enough bit rate, people don't necessarily tell.
    Most likely. LP would have a lower bitrate than SP.
    As I understand it, although I don't have a standalone recorder.
    Yes, you'll need something to demultiplex the VOB files. Have a look on
    videohelp.com for a myriad of tools.
    Obviously with a CD, you're limited to around 650MB. On the net, it
    depends on your target, a lot of people have broadband and don't mind
    downloading a 30MB video file. But there are others on dialup still and
    they won't want that file.

    Personally on the net I tend to use WMV format and aim for a picture
    size and bit rate that will give me between 2-4MB. This is OK for dial-
    up people and still allows them to see what's going on.
     
    Dave R, May 27, 2005
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    CJB Guest

    OK - many thanks for the info. I'm begining to get the picture (pun
    intended!!). Next stoop is to convert the VOB etc. files into WMA. I
    take your point about large video files. 2-4 Mb is OK. Right now my VOB
    file is 1.2Gb !!! Chris Brady.
     
    CJB, May 27, 2005
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