Transitioning to Nikon D50 from Nikon F4 and accessoires

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by glaserp, Dec 20, 2005.

  1. glaserp

    glaserp Guest


    I've been scouring usnet for answers to a number of these questions but
    still need some clarification on a few points.

    I understand that plain Nikkor AF lenses will work with the D50 except
    for "3D color matrix metering and iTTL balanced Fill-Flash." Fist, I
    do not know what 3D color matrix metering is -- what would I be
    missing?. Secondly, I don't know what the "iTTL" means here: assuming
    that I upgraded from my SB-28 to an SB-600 or SB-800, would I have ANY
    fill-flash mode available to me at all, or would I have only plain TTL?

    Also, regardless of whether I upgrade to an SB-600/SB-800 or continue
    with my SB-28 in manual mode, I would like to mount it externally on my
    Stroboframe bracket. Two questions here: Aside form the SC-28 cable,
    which I already have, is there some kind adapter that I need to get the
    flash talking to the body? Also, according to B&H's website, the
    Stroboframe anti-twist plate for the F4 will also work with the D70
    (there was no anti-twist plate I could find for the D50). Does the D50
    have the same footprint, such that it would work with the same
    anti-twist plate? Or is there some other solution?

    I am unable to divine from the B&H website whether the D50 comes with a
    memory card and, if so, whether it is a realistic amount of memory. I
    recall reading somewhere that the price of the D50 takes into account
    the fact that folks can use the less expensive SD memory cards,
    counting on consumers upgrading from less expensive point-and-shoots.
    But it's not clear to me what to do if you don't have an SD memory
    card, and whether the price difference with the D70 might work out to
    be lessened if it comes with a better memory configuration.

    Are there any other hidden costs I should be aware of? (I already have
    a computer and photoshop and printer, and am aware of the focal length
    issues from the size of the CCD). I currently use my F4 with three AF
    Nikkor lenses, the SB-28 with the stroboframe bracket, and numerous
    filters for black and white and color. Aside from the issues I've
    already raised, are there any other transition issues I need to think

    Thanks for your help!

    glaserp, Dec 20, 2005
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    Ole Larsen Guest

    Probably nothing at all. D is for distance info. But since sb600 and sb
    800 in i-TTL mode measures that, the D info is of less importance

    Secondly, I don't know what the "iTTL" means here: assuming

    i-TTL balanced calculates available ligt into the flash´s power
    i-TTL "normal" doesn´t
    Ole Larsen, Dec 20, 2005
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  3. Apart from the far slower autofocus, inferior metering, flimsy construction,
    miniscule viewfinder, swapping a highend professional camera for a lowend
    consumer camera, loss of quality of the final product (especially in black
    and white, but also a tremendous loss of colour saturation in colour and an
    overall far lower resolution compared to quality scans)?

    No, nothing to worry about.

    The ONLY digitals I'd even consider if I were shooting an F4 now are the D2x
    and D2h, maybe the D200.
    Anything else is throwing away money and quality for the fad of "going

    Jeroen Wenting, Dec 20, 2005
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    Norm Dresner Guest

    As a photographer whose 35mm camera bag includes a digital D70 and two film
    SLR's (F100 & N90s), I have to disagree. There are times when I feel that
    all I need from a particular shot is the (admittedly) limited resolution of
    the digital image and that having instant feedback on the exposure and
    composition is an overriding consideration (and yes, I can and sometimes do
    shoot both digital and then film images of the same subject). On a recent
    12-day trip I shot about 2000 digital (2/3 of them raw) images and 13
    36-exposure rolls of 35mm film as well as a few rolls of 120 film. Both
    digital and film cameras are tools and like hammers and screwdrivers, not
    particularly interchangeable ones. But I rarely if ever go out without

    Norm Dresner, Dec 20, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    It really only matters for fill-flash and flash metering.
    The SB-600 and -800 do iTTL, fill-flash, multi-flash, pretty much everything
    you'd want.
    None of the SLRs do.
    You're switching from an F4, a high-end pro camera, to the absolute bottom
    of Nikon's digital line. You may find that you're not happy with that kind
    of change.
    Jeremy Nixon, Dec 21, 2005
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    Rich Guest

    Just out of curiosity, how come you are going from
    a premier film SLR to an entry level DSLR and not
    a flagship DSLR?
    Rich, Dec 21, 2005
  7. glaserp

    Ole Larsen Guest

    Jeroen Wenting skrev:
    Autofocus on my 28mm, on my 50 mm and on my 18-70 mm couldnt be faster
    equals my Dig Pentax Spotmeter
    Have read most of those fantasy-calculations that try to prove that the
    "photographic earth" is flat, but remember the film is digital ( any
    grain is either black or not ) and then calculate again, please.
    And if you dont like calculations, you might take a look at a 30x40 cm
    print of a properly exposed 8-12 mpx dig. "negative"

    But phanatics
    Ole Larsen, Dec 21, 2005
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    Andrew Haley Guest

    I can agree with some of this, but "tremendous loss of colour
    saturation in colour" is nonsense. One place where digital cameras
    win hands down is colour -- unless you actually like the artificial
    fluorescence of Velvia.

    Andrew Haley, Dec 21, 2005
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    glaserp Guest

    Do you mean that if I use the SB-600 or SB-800 on the D50, but with a
    plain AF lens, I will have no fill-flash capability at all, only plain
    This is a great question. I really love the F4 and have gotten into a
    film/scanning workflow that works for my big projects (I am not a
    professional, but am a serious amateur photographer). I have a Cannon
    A60 point-and-shoot for family events and other situations where the
    overhead of film development and scanning is not necessary. My 10-year
    old daughter wants her own digital camera, and I am sick of not being
    able to have SLR functionality in the situatioins where I need digital.
    So, rather than dump any money into another point-and-shoot digital,
    I'd rather just give the point-and-shoot to my daughter and get the D50
    for myself. If I had an unlimited budget, sure, I would get a
    top-of-the-line DSLR. But for my budget, even the D50 will be a bit of


    glaserp, Dec 21, 2005
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    Norm Dresner Guest

    Nikon D2X = $5000. Nikon D70 < $999

    For really high quality images I use film. For things where I'm pretty sure
    that I'll never want anything bigger than 8x10 at 300 dpi the digital is
    sufficient. Since I'm not a professional, I can't justify the more
    expensive models -- but that doesn't mean that I don't covet them.

    Norm Dresner, Dec 21, 2005
  11. Nikon D200 = $1700
    I'm pretty certain that even amateur (especially one accustomed to F4)
    will appreciate ergonomics and build quality of D200 . On the other
    hand, looking into viewfinder of D50 is going to be like looking into
    deep and dark tunnel.

    Bronek Kozicki, Dec 21, 2005
  12. You can do much larger than 8x10 with a DSLR. A good 3MP digicam can
    produce very good 8x10s.
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Dec 21, 2005
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    No, you can still use fill flash. The D information improves the metering
    Jeremy Nixon, Dec 21, 2005
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    Rich Guest

    About the same as the old F4 body I think.
    Rich, Dec 22, 2005
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    Norm Dresner Guest

    I'm quite happy with my F100 & N90s as film cameras. And I don't think that
    the D200 has that much to offer that it's worth $1000 over my now-used D70.

    Norm Dresner, Dec 22, 2005
  16. glaserp

    Norm Dresner Guest

    If I didn't already own the D70, I'm pretty sure I'd have fought to get a
    D200. BUT ... I don't think that the D200 has that much to offer that it's
    worth $1000 over my now-used D70. The increase in resolution is only 30%
    linearly -- so I could make as good 11x14 as I can 8x10 now -- and I don't
    use the LCD enough to think that the increased size is worth the extra money
    right now. And if I really need to make BIG enlargements, I can always use
    my 2-1/4" sq Bronica or the 2x3 Speed Graphic.

    Norm Dresner, Dec 22, 2005
  17. Certainly D200 has a lot to offer when it comes to ergonomics, build
    quality and viewfinder, especially compared to D50. Resolution and LCD
    are not issues that someone moving from F4 to digital will care most,
    but viewfinder and ergonomics might be.

    Bronek Kozicki, Dec 22, 2005
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    Nikon User Guest

    If the D200 had been available when I bought the D70s, I would still
    have bought the D70s; the D200 is not worth the extra money to me. But
    it is worth it to others. That's the reason Nikon makes models at so
    many different price points.
    Nikon User, Dec 22, 2005
  19. Ah, but you're not thinking of REPLACING that F100 with a D50 now are you?
    Because that's what the OP is thinking of doing.
    Jeroen Wenting, Dec 22, 2005
  20. I'd rather wait then, until you can afford at least a D200.
    You WILL be disappointed with the D50.

    I thought I might maybe replace my F80 with one (and keep the F100 as my
    main camera) but on seeing the thing decided against it.
    It's inferior to the F80 which itself is inferior to the F100 which is
    inferior to the F4.
    Jeroen Wenting, Dec 22, 2005
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