Tricky shot of an old church

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Scott W, Nov 16, 2005.

  1. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    We have a wonderful old church in town, but it is situated in a spot
    that make getting a good photo hard.
    Today I got one that I am pretty happy with.

    This is the view of the church from across the street, as you can see
    there are power lines everywhere and very little room in the
    churchyard.
    http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/27837752/large

    A very wide angle shot is needed with perspective correction, this is
    what I got today.
    http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/52319986/original
    The black rectangle is a crop area the 100% view of it is here.
    http://www.pbase.com/konascott/image/52319988/original

    This is a 75 MP image with lots of detail, something I was going after.

    To view the whole image you can go here, this uses Zoomify, which lets
    you pan and zoom
    http://www.sewcon.com/church/

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 16, 2005
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    Lorem Ipsum Guest

    Learn how to use a view camera.
     
    Lorem Ipsum, Nov 16, 2005
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  3. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    Well there are aspects of the photo that I am not totally happy with,
    like the cars in the foreground, but it is hard to ask them to be moved
    for the photo. Then the sun is too high for a really good photo, but
    there are large trees to the south that shade the church when the sun
    goes down even a bit. But over all I was happy to get a shot that
    pretty much shows of a beautiful church that is vary hard to capture in
    a photograph.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 16, 2005
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    so.foxy Guest

    Hi Scott

    I agree with the cars in the foreground - they are very distracting
    which is a shame because the church is attractive as you say.

    I think the wide angle adds something to the photo anyway. Particularly
    with the partly clouded sky.

    Overall, a good job on a tough picture - but then aren't they the most
    satisfying?

    H
     
    so.foxy, Nov 17, 2005
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    Alan Meyer Guest

    Well Lorem, we'll have to bring you up-to-date.

    Now that we have digital images, we don't need the moving
    lens boards of view cameras. We can run processing algorithms
    on the digital image that do the same thing that the slide and
    tilt of the lens board did on the old view cameras.

    If you use the GIMP, try out the "twist" filter. I'm sure that
    Photoshop, PaintShop Pro, and other programs have similar
    features.

    Alan
     
    Alan Meyer, Nov 17, 2005
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  6. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    This church is my test, as I get better I get better photos of it. I
    am sure I will be taking many more photos of it over the years,
    hopefully with improvement over time. Next time I go to photograph it
    I hope the cars will be gone, unlikely to get that lucky.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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    Neil Gould Guest

    Oh? How do you adjust the field of focus with processing algorithms?

    Neil
     
    Neil Gould, Nov 17, 2005
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    Lorem Ipsum Guest

    You are unfortunately misinformed. You cannot replicate the complete
    functions of a view camera with postprocessing.
     
    Lorem Ipsum, Nov 17, 2005
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  9. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    For portrait work I can see where that could be an issue but not so
    much for landscape and architectural work.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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  10. Why then do so many photographers who make a living with architectural
    photography buy and use tilt and shift lenses and view cameras even
    for digital work?


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    John A. Stovall, Nov 17, 2005
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  11. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    Focus is the only one you can not, for some this will be an issue for
    others it will not.

    BTW did you think my focus was soft somewhere? I thought the focus was
    pretty good.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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    Lorem Ipsum Guest

    As if that were not enough. But there are more things a view camera can do
    that digital postprocessing cannot.
     
    Lorem Ipsum, Nov 17, 2005
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  13. Quite the opposite.
    In portrait working, playing around with the plane of focus does not do much
    good.
    In the other two fields, however, it is used (well used) a lot. There is
    only so much DOF, so being able to repositioning it lets you do a lot of
    good.
     
    Q.G. de Bakker, Nov 17, 2005
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  14. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    In large part you use what you know. Past that you need to start with
    a very high resolution image if it is not going to suffer from the
    perspective adjustments.

    In some ways using a tilt and shift lens is easier, in other way not so
    easy.

    With a tilt shift lens you can see what you are going to get right from
    the get go, doing it in software requires being able to visualize the
    shot without seeing it in a view finder.

    But tilt shifts have real limits, you shift them much and they get
    soft. ALso my shot is about 80 horizontal FOV, Canon's shortest TS
    lens is 24mm, which even for a FF camera would not give me the field of
    view I wanted.

    Scott
     
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    Scott W Guest

    Other then focus? I would rather doubt it as after focus it is just a
    mater of moving pixels, and we know how to do that.

    But still I thought my focus was pretty good, where do you see it as
    being soft?

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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    GK User Guest

    If you are using digital there are programs, via Canon software, which allow
    you to stitch a series of photos together to make one large photo from
    several other pictures. You might consider this possibility which should
    also help that perspective problem.
     
    GK User, Nov 17, 2005
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  17. Scott W

    Scott W Guest

    If I printed my image at 300 ppi it would be a print 33.5 x 25 inches.
    At that size the name Buick on the left car's license plate would be
    on the order of 1/40 of an inch high, and yet there is plenty of detail
    to read it. I don't believe my photo has a problem with sharpness.
    In fact there is plenty of sharpness all the way to the bottom of the
    photo.

    I am not saying that tilting is not useful at times, but often it is
    not needed and sometimes when it would be needed it is of limited use
    because you have a foreground object that you want in focus with
    background right behind that you also want to have in focus. As an
    example I really did want those cars there, but if they are going to be
    their I want them in focus, but there is background right behind the
    one.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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    Dirty Harry Guest

    Sunset or sunrise...
     
    Dirty Harry, Nov 17, 2005
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  19. Sunday morning maybe? :)

    Maybe one step further from sunset, evening?

    I like it....

    BTW Impressive resume... Sounds very techo!
     
    Bill & Kel Turnbull, Nov 17, 2005
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    Scott W Guest

    Thanks.

    I assume you mean closer to sunset? This was taken not far from noon
    and in the tropics the sun is still pretty high even this time of year.
    I would have liked the sun to be lower but there are large trees that
    start to shade the church not long after I took this shot.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2005
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