Trying to cut a person out of a foreground & pasting into adifferent background

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Eric Prilovich, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. What's a good freeware technique for cutting a person out of one
    foreground and pasting into a different photographic background?

    I can only delete the person, section by section, so far.

    Here's the Windows & Linux freeware I just tried:

    0. Assume we want to copy 'just' the woman in this foreground:

    And paste her into this similar (but different) background:

    1. I first save the former (foreground portrait) as portrait1.jpg.
    And I save the latter (background) picture as background1.jpg.

    2. When I run Windows Paint.Net or Linux Gimp & use the magic wand
    (aka fuzzy select), I can quite easily delete the foreground woman:

    3. But the problem is that the magic wand (fuzzy select) is selecting
    by color, so, it's not getting the entire outline of the woman and
    allowing me to copy and paste her into the new background.

    The magic wand (aka fuzzy select) is powerful - but I can't yet control
    it to just select the outline of the person in the foreground so I can
    copy her to another background.

    Any ideas for copy & paste of a portrait from one background to another?
    Eric Prilovich, Jan 1, 2013
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  2. Eric Prilovich

    Tony Cooper Guest

    I don't use Paint or Gimp, but it would seem that you would want to
    delete the background in the image with the woman instead of selecting
    her. If you delete all of the background, you can then select the
    blank area with the Magic Wand, inverse, and then have a copy of the
    woman to paste into your other image.

    That's the way I would do it in Photoshop if I wanted to use the Magic
    Wand. Actually, I'd use the eraser to take out all but a small area
    around the woman and then use the Magic Wand to take out the small
    area. It might take several steps with the Magic Wand.
    Tony Cooper, Jan 1, 2013
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  3. Instructions are included here, in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia.
    Look under the entry: Soviet Unpersons, and also Damnatio memoriae..
    Great Soviet Encyclopedia
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    Ð‘Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÑˆÐ°Ñ ÑоветÑÐºÐ°Ñ ÑнциклопедиÑ
    Title page of the 3rd ed. (in Russian), 1st vol.
    Language Russian
    Subject(s) General
    Genre(s) Reference encyclopaedia
    Publisher СоветÑÐºÐ°Ñ Ð­Ð½Ñ†Ð¸ÐºÐ»Ð¾Ð¿ÐµÐ´Ð¸Ñ
    Publication date 1926–1981 (printed version)
    Media type As of 1981, 30 volumes (hardbound)
    OCLC Number 14476314

    The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (Russian: Ð‘Ð¾Ð»ÑŒÑˆÐ°Ñ ÑоветÑкаÑ
    ÑнциклопедиÑ, or БСЭ; transliterated Bolshaya sovetskaya
    entsiklopediya) is one of the largest and most comprehensive Russian
    encyclopedias in the world,[1] issued by the Soviet state from 1926 to
    1990, and again since 2002 (under the name Bolshaya Rossiyskaya
    entsiklopediya or "Great Russian Encyclopedia").

    1 Editions
    2 Editors
    3 Role and purpose in Soviet society
    4 Translations
    4.1 English
    4.2 Greek
    5 Other Soviet encyclopedias
    6 Content
    6.1 Damnatio memoriae
    7 Great Russian Encyclopedia
    8 See also
    9 References
    10 Sources
    11 External links


    There were three editions. The first edition of 65 volumes (65,000
    entries, plus a supplementary volume about the Soviet Union) was
    published during 1926–1947, the chief editor being Otto Schmidt (until
    1941). The second edition of 50 volumes (100,000 entries, plus a
    supplementary volume) was published in 1950–1958; chief editors:
    Sergei Vavilov (until 1951) and Boris Vvedenskii (until 1969); two
    index volumes to this edition were published in 1960. The third
    edition of 1969–1978 contains 30 volumes (100,000 entries, plus an
    index volume issued in 1981). Volume 24 is in two books, one of them
    being a full-sized book about the USSR) – all with about 21 million
    words,[2] and the chief editor being Alexander Prokhorov (since 1969).

    From 1957 to 1990 each year the Yearbook of the Great Soviet
    Encyclopedia was released, with up-to-date articles about the Soviet
    Union and all countries of the world.

    The first online edition, an exact replica of text and graphics of the
    third (so-called Red) edition, was published by in 2000.

    Editors and contributors to the GSE included a number of leading
    Soviet scientists and politicians: Hamid Alimjan, Viktor Ambartsumian,
    Nikolai Baibakov, Mykola Bazhan, Maia Berzina, Nikolay Bogolyubov,
    Andrei Bubnov, Nikolai Bukharin, Nikolai Burdenko, Mikhail Frunze,
    Victor Glushkov, Igor Grabar, Pavel Lebedev-Polianskii, Veniamin
    Kagan, Ivan Knunyants, Andrei Kolmogorov, Valerian Kuybyshev, Anatoly
    Lunacharsky, Vladimir Obruchev, Aleksandr Oparin, Yuri Prokhorov, Karl
    Radek, Nikolai Semashko, and Kliment Voroshilov.
    Role and purpose in Soviet society

    The foreword to the first volume of the GSE (2nd ed.) proclaims "The
    Soviet Union has become the center of the civilized world."[3] The
    GSE, along with all other books and other media and communications
    with the public, was directed toward the "furtherance of the aims of
    the party and the state."[3] The 1949 decree issued for the production
    of the second edition of the GSE directed:

    The second edition of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia should
    elucidate widely the world-historical victories of socialism in our
    country, which have been attained in the U.S.S.R. in the provinces of
    economics, science, culture, and art. ... With exhaustive completeness
    it must show the superiority of socialist culture over the culture of
    the capitalist world. Operating on Marxist-Leninist theory, the
    encyclopedia should give a party criticism of contemporary bourgeois
    tendencies in various provinces of science and technics.[3]

    The foreword to the GSE (3rd ed.) expanded on that mission, paying
    particular attention to developments in science and technology:
    nuclear engineering, space technology, atomic physics, polymer
    chemistry, and radio electronics; also the detailing the history and
    activities of the Russian revolutionary movement, the development of
    the labor movement worldwide and summarizing Marxist scholarship on
    political economy, sociology, and political science.[4] In support of
    that mission, the GSE (2nd ed.) described as the role of education:

    "To develop in children's minds the Communist morality, ideology,
    and Soviet patriotism; to inspire unshakable love toward the Soviet
    fatherland, the Communist party, and its leaders; to propagate
    Bolshevik vigilance; to put an emphasis on internationalist education;
    to strengthen Bolshevik willpower and character, as well as courage,
    capacity for resisting adversity and conquering obstacles; to develop
    self-discipline; and to encourage physical and aesthetic culture."[3]

    The third edition of the GSE subsequently expanded on the role of

    "Education is essential to preparing for life and work. It is the
    basic means by which people come to know and acquire culture, and it
    is the foundation of culture's development...The Soviet education
    rests on the principles of the unity of education and communist
    upbringing; cooperation among the school, the family, and the society
    in bringing up young people; and the linkage of education and training
    to life and the practical experience of building communism. The
    underlying principles of the Soviet system of public education include
    a scientific approach to and continual improvement of education on the
    basis of the latest achievements in science, technology and culture; a
    humanistic and highly moral orientation in education and upbringing;
    and co-education of both sexes, secular education which excludes the
    influence of religion. " [5]

    Based on his extensive talks with the editors of the GSE, to whom he
    was granted unprecedented access, William Benton, publisher of the
    Encyclopædia Britannica, wrote the following in observation of the
    GSE's chief editor B. A. Vvedenskii stating their compliance with the
    1949 decree of the Council of Ministers:

    "It is just this simple for the Soviet board of editors. They are
    working under a government directive that orders them to orient their
    encyclopedia as sharply as a political tract. The encyclopedia was
    thus planned to provide the intellectual underpinning for the Soviet
    world offensive in the duel for men's minds. The Soviet government
    ordered it as a fighting propaganda weapon. And the government
    attaches such importance to its political role that its board of
    editors is chosen by and is responsible only to the high Council of
    Ministers itself."[3]

    Great Soviet Encyclopedia in English in a library

    The third edition was translated and published into English in 31
    volumes between 1974 and 1983 by Macmillan Publishers. Each volume was
    translated separately, requiring use of the index found at the front
    of each volume to locate specific items; knowledge of Russian can be
    helpful to find the right volume the first time. Not all entries were
    translated into English; these are indicated in the index. Overall,
    some entries indicate an anti-American bias,[citation needed]
    reflecting the international tensions and ideological conflict between
    the United States and the USSR at the time.

    The third edition has also been translated and published into Greek in
    34 volumes between 1977 and 1983. All articles that were related to
    Greece or Greek history, culture and society were expanded and
    hundreds of new ones were written especially for the Greek edition.
    Thus the encyclopaedia contains, for example, both the Russian entry
    on Greece as well as a much larger one prepared by Greek contributors.

    Finally, a supplementary volume covering the 1980s was published in
    1989. It contains translated and original Greek articles which,
    sometimes, do not exist in the 34-volume set.
    Other Soviet encyclopedias
    Original title Transliteration (if applicable) English title
    Volumes Dates
    УкраїнÑька радÑнÑька ÐµÐ½Ñ†Ð¸ÐºÐ»Ð¾Ð¿ÐµÐ´Ñ–Ñ Ukraïns'ka radyans'ka
    enstiklopediya Ukrainian Soviet Encyclopedia 17 1959–1965
    БеларуÑÐºÐ°Ñ ÑÐ°Ð²ÐµÑ†ÐºÐ°Ñ ÑÐ½Ñ†Ñ‹ÐºÐ»Ð°Ð¿ÐµÐ´Ñ‹Ñ Belaruskaya savietskaya
    entsyklapedyya Byelorussian Soviet Encyclopedia 12 1969–1975
    Ўзбек Ñовет ÑнциклопедиÑÑи Uzbek soviet entsiklopediyasi Uzbek
    Soviet Encyclopedia 14 1971–1980
    Қазақ ÐºÐµÒ£ÐµÑ ÑнциклопедиÑÑÑ‹ Qazaq keñes encïklopedïyası Kazakh Soviet
    Encyclopedia 10 1972–1978
    ქáƒáƒ áƒ—ული სáƒáƒ‘ჭáƒáƒ—რენციკლáƒáƒžáƒ”დირkartuli sabch'ota encik'lop'edia
    Georgian Soviet Encyclopedia 12 1965–1987
    Ðзәрбајҹан Совет ЕнÑиклопедијаÑÑ‹ AzÓ™rbaycan Sovet Ensiklopediyası
    Azerbaijani Soviet Encyclopedia 10 1976–1987
    Lietuviškoji tarybinė enciklopedija — Lithuanian SovietEncyclopedia
    10 1976–1985
    Ð•Ð½Ñ‡Ð¸ÐºÐ»Ð¾Ð¿ÐµÐ´Ð¸Ñ ÑÐ¾Ð²ÐµÑ‚Ð¸ÐºÑ Ð¼Ð¾Ð»Ð´Ð¾Ð²ÐµÐ½ÑÑÐºÑ Enciclopedia sovietică
    moldovenească Moldavian Soviet Encyclopedia 8 1970–1981
    Latvijas padomju enciklopēdija — Latvian Soviet Encyclopedia11
    Кыргыз Совет ЭнциклопедиÑÑÑ‹ Kyrgyz Soviet Entsiklopediyasy Kyrgyz
    Soviet Encyclopedia 6 1976–1980
    ЭнциклопедиÑи Ñоветии тоҷик Entsiklopediya-i sovieti-i tojik Tajik
    Soviet Encyclopedia 8 1978–1988
    Õ€Õ¡ÕµÕ¯Õ¡Õ¯Õ¡Õ¶ Õ½Õ¸Õ¾Õ¥Õ¿Õ¡Õ¯Õ¡Õ¶ Õ°Õ¡Õ¶Ö€Õ¡Õ£Õ«Õ¿Õ¡Ö€Õ¡Õ¶ Haykakan sovetakan hanragitaran
    Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia 13 1974–1987
    Түркмен Ñовет ÑнциклопедиÑÑÑ‹ Türkmen sowet ensiklopediýasy Turkmen
    Soviet Encyclopedia 10 1974–1989
    Eesti nõukogude entsüklopeedia — Estonian Soviet Encyclopedia 8

    The Soviet Encyclopedia is a systematic summary of knowledge in social
    and economic studies and in the applied sciences. It became a
    universal reference work for the Soviet intelligentsia.[6] According
    to the publisher's foreword in the English-language translation of the
    encyclopedia, the encyclopedia is important for knowledge and
    understanding of USSR. A major value of the Encyclopedia is its
    comprehensive information about Soviet and its peoples. Every aspect
    of Soviet life is systematically presented, including history,
    economics, science, art, and culture. The ethnic diversity of USSR’s
    peoples and its languages and cultures are extensively covered. There
    are biographies of prominent cultural and scientific figures who are
    not as well-known outside of Russia. There are detailed surveys of
    USSR’s provinces and towns, as well as their geology, geography, and
    flora and fauna.[6]

    The encyclopedia’s Chief Editorial Board and Advisory board sought
    input from the general public. The entry list was sent to
    universities, scientific institutions, museums, and private
    specialists in every field. More than 50,000 suggestions were received
    and many additions were made.[7] Scholars believe that the
    Encyclopedia is a valuable and useful source for Russian history.[8]
    The Encyclopedia, though noted as having a strong Marxist bias,
    provides useful information for understanding the Soviet point of view.
    Damnatio memoriae

    Following the arrest and punishment of the infamous Lavrentiy Beria,
    the notorious head of the NKVD, in 1953 the encyclopedia—ostensiblyin
    response to overwhelming public demand—mailed subscribers to the
    second edition a letter from the editor[11] instructing them to cut
    out and destroy the three-page article on Beria and paste in its place
    enclosed replacement pages expanding the adjacent articles on F. W.
    Bergholz (an 18th-century courtier), the Bering Sea, and Bishop
    Berkeley.[12] By April 1954, the Library of the University of
    California had received this “replacement.â€[13] This was not the only
    case of political influence. Encyclopedia subscribers received
    missives to replace articles in the fashion of the Beria article
    frequently.[14] Content of others changed significantly, to reflect
    not the scientific knowledge but the current party line. An article
    affected in such a fashion was the one on Bukharin, whose evolution of
    descriptions went through several versions.[15]
    Great Russian Encyclopedia
    Main article: Great Russian Encyclopedia

    Publication of the Great Soviet Encyclopedia was suspended in 1990 and
    halted in 1991, but in 2002 it was reinstituted by decree of Vladimir
    Putin. In 2003 and 2004 a team of editors overhauled the old
    encyclopedia by updating facts, removing most examples of overt
    political bias, and changing its name to the Great Russian
    Encyclopedia. Many outdated articles were entirely rewritten. In 2004,
    the first volume of the newly overhauled Great Russian Encyclopedia
    was published. As of 2009, the first complete (30-volume) edition
    since 1990 is about to be published.

    Publication of the Great Russian Encyclopedia is overseen by the
    Russian Academy of Sciences, and funded by the Government of the
    Russian Federation. The encyclopedia is now found in libraries and
    schools throughout the CIS.[16] Additionally, the 1980s editions
    remain in widespread use, particularly as references in scientific and
    mathematical research.
    See also

    Ukrainian Soviet Encyclopedia
    Damnatio memoriae


    ^ The 3rd edition contains more 95,000 articles, nearly 35,000
    illustrations and maps. Compare with over 120,000 articles of the
    Russian Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (1890–1907) and
    with 100,000 of the 15th edition of Britannica
    ^ Kister, p. 365
    ^ a b c d e From extensive discussions with the editors of the
    second edition of the GSE, editor-in-chief Vvendensky. Benton, W. This
    Is The Challenge. Associated College Presses. 1959
    ^ Editors Foreword, Great Soviet Encyclopedia, 3rd Edition
    ^ Great Soviet Encyclopedia, "Education"
    ^ a b Publishers' Foreword, Great Soviet Encyclopedia: A
    Translation of the Third Edition. VOlume 1. Macmillan, Inc.
    ^ Great Soviet Encyclopedia
    ^ Reference sources in history: an introductory guide. Ronald H.
    Fritze, Brian E. Coutts, Louis Andrew Vyhnanek
    ^ Allen Kent, Harold Lancour, Jay E. Daily, Encyclopedia of
    Library and Information Science: Volume 25 CRC Press, 1978, ISBN
    0-8247-2025-3, Google Print, p.171
    ^ Bill Katz, William A. Katz, Ruth A. Fraley, Evaluation of
    reference services, Haworth Press, 1984, ISBN 0-86656-377-6, Google
    Print, p.308
    ^ Sophie Lambroschini, “Russia: Putin-Decreed ‘Great Russian’
    Encyclopedia Debuts At Moscow Book Fair,†Radio Free Europe/Radio
    ^ O. Lawrence Burnette Jr. and William Converse Haygood (Eds.), A
    Soviet View of the American past: An Annotated Translation of the
    Section on American History in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia (Chicago:
    Scott, Foresman, 1964), p. 7.â€
    ^ “He who destroys a good Book, kills reason it self:an exhibition
    of books which have survived Fire, the Sword and the Censorsâ€
    University of Kansas Library 1955
    ^ John T. Jost, Aaron C., Social and Psychological Bases of
    Ideology and System Justification, Oxford University Press US, 2009,
    ISBN 0-19-532091-3, Google Print, p.465
    ^ Ludwik Kowalski, "Discriptions of Bucharin in Great Soviet


    Great Soviet encyclopedia, ed. A. M. Prokhorov (New York:
    Macmillan, London: Collier Macmillan, 1974–1983) 31 volumes, three
    volumes of indexes. Translation of third Russian edition of Bol'shaya
    sovetskaya entsiklopediya
    Kister, Kenneth. Kister's Best Encyclopedias. 2nd ed. (1994)

    External links

    (Russian) Great Soviet Encyclopedia online
    New And Improved Gatoraide, Jan 1, 2013
  4. Eric Prilovich

    Beeper Guest

    The 3rd link above, with the woman fuzzily selected, had an ad for Wind
    Energy overlaid on a grayed-out page. So I clicked X on the corner of
    the ad to dismiss it, and a popup window for live sex shows appeared.
    Since the woman doesn't look so hot, this had me really worried, and I
    got out of there in a hurry.
    Beeper, Jan 1, 2013
  5. Eric Prilovich

    Guest Guest

    you need to check your computer for malware.

    the third link is nothing more than two screen captures of the girl in
    the first link. there is nothing about a sex show or anything even
    remotely close to a sex show. it's just a clothed girl with a bad

    if you saw a sex show, something *else* put it there.
    Guest, Jan 1, 2013
  6. Eric Prilovich

    Guest Guest

    magic wand is often called the tragic wand. it is not particularly good.

    selection tools have been greatly enhanced in recent photoshop versions
    but you said free so you are stuck with tragic wands.

    what might work in freeware is use one of the rgb channels to generate
    a layer mask and use that to composite the girl into the new
    background. it might need a little tweaking but probably not too much.
    she has clear and defined boundaries except for a bit of her hair.

    you'll also want to resize the crop to fit into the new scene so it
    looks believable and you'll also want to match the colour balance,
    brightness and other aspects of the two photos too. nothing looks worse
    than a crappy composite job.

    unfortunately, the lighting in the two photos are very different so you
    have your work cut out for you. also, you are going to need to add a
    shadow or it's going to look wrong. plus the stairs go in opposite
    directions so you'll need to give her something to stand on as well (or
    crop off her feet which will look bad too but it avoids that problem).
    layer masks (for tweaking the selection and other adjustments) and
    smart objects (so you can resize non-destructively) will be very
    Guest, Jan 1, 2013
  7. Eric Prilovich

    sobriquet Guest

    I think it would be easiest to work in gimp and employ a layer mask to the top layer of the girl to mask out the background. The layer below that would be the new background.

    Here is an example (can be opened in gimp):

    And the final result (just a quick draft version):

    It could be further improved by adding shaddows (below the feet and the shadow cast by her figure) and better matching of the colors between source and target.
    sobriquet, Jan 1, 2013
  8. Eric Prilovich

    Dave Guest

    Instead of the magic wand try the foreground extraction tool.

    Dave, Jan 1, 2013
  9. Eric Prilovich

    Savageduck Guest

    I would note that the owner of that image has disabled download on
    Flickr. My assumption is, he does not intend to have his work used in
    the way you have in mind.
    In Photoshop with "quick select" this is simple.
    First make the selection.
    < >

    Inverse & Refine edge
    < >

    kill underlying layers
    < >

    Paste into new background & use content aware resize to fit
    < >
    Savageduck, Jan 1, 2013
  10. Eric Prilovich

    sobriquet Guest

    Uh, I think you're violating some copyrights there Ducky..

    I'm appalled that you have so little respect for intellectual property.
    sobriquet, Jan 1, 2013
  11. Eric Prilovich

    Savageduck Guest

    Not quite.
    The link to that image takes me to the image open in a browser, not to
    the Square Idea page with its 2013 copyright notification. A check of
    the EXIF reveals no such copyright on the image I used for extraction.
    < >
    So given the OP's request, I made a good faith use of the image he
    provided to produce my example of extraction method.

    I did note that the owner of Flickr image had disabled downloads so I
    made the assumption that he did not favor the idea that his images
    should be used freely. So I used one of my own images for the
    background to create the absurd example, no question of copyright
    infringement there.
    Savageduck, Jan 1, 2013
  12. Eric Prilovich

    sobriquet Guest

    What a pathetic excuse. You've blatantly violated copyrights and when
    people point this out to you, you claim you've done so in good faith.

    You should have known better that that image must be the intellectual
    property of someone and you've clearly neglected to find out
    about it's copyright status before stealing this intellectual
    property and using it for your own creations.

    It's not that hard to edit the url to end up at the site that hosts
    the image to find out about the copyright status of the image.

    It's thieves and parasites like you that give the internet a bad rep.
    sobriquet, Jan 1, 2013
  13. Eric Prilovich

    Savageduck Guest

    Still the absurdist, I see.
    Savageduck, Jan 1, 2013
  14. Eric Prilovich

    sobriquet Guest

    Just applying your copyright nazi logic to your own behavior.
    sobriquet, Jan 1, 2013
  15. Eric Prilovich

    Beeper Guest

    It's Linux.
    The page also serves this image for the Wind Energy ad

    and this CLOSE X image on the border of the ad

    And it sets eleven cookies.
    You might have javascript blocked, or else I think you'd see the ad.
    Beeper, Jan 1, 2013
  16. Eric Prilovich

    Peter Guest

    You are way off base. the Duck's use consisted the fair use for
    educational purposes, exception. Please stop your crap. coming from you
    the comments are assinine.
    Peter, Jan 1, 2013
  17. Eric Prilovich

    sobriquet Guest

    Right, just like all my uploads to (and downloads from) piratebay consist
    of fair use for educational purposes.
    sobriquet, Jan 1, 2013
  18. Eric Prilovich

    Guest Guest

    who cares. use private mode if you're paranoid.

    imagevenue is just another image hosting site, like tinypic, imgur and
    many others. it's not a sex site. if you're getting sex site ads, then
    something on your system is causing that to happen. it doesn't happen
    for others.
    i don't block javascript since many sites won't work. i do block java,
    however because it's a security risk and rarely needed anyway.

    there's something wrong with your system.
    Guest, Jan 1, 2013
  19. Eric Prilovich

    Jon Danniken Guest

    When you get to the point where you have the outline of the woman, but
    the inside is a mottled mess, use a quickmask (CTRL-Q photoshop, Shift-Q
    Gimp), then switch to the brush tool to finish selecting all of her.

    Using the quickmask is very useful for refining a selection in this way;
    using a white brush will add to the selection, while using a black brush
    will remove from the selection.

    In photoshop you can also use the magnetic lasso for your initial
    selection on some objects.

    Jon Danniken, Jan 1, 2013
  20. Eric Prilovich

    Eric Stevens Guest

    It put it in my computer also. I kept on deleting things I didn't want
    and ended up with the image that Eric Prilovich was directing us to.
    Eric Stevens, Jan 1, 2013
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