Two cameras two wireless mikes and straight to pc?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by danielw, Dec 6, 2005.

  1. danielw

    danielw Guest

    I am in need to find out how to record video at a live event with two
    sources (could be one camera and one laptop for powerpoint) and
    multiple mics...

    Endresult should be a DVD and I would like to cut post production time
    to a minimum. Has anyone got experience how to do that on a shoestring
    budget and what kind of hardware I would need?


    danielw, Dec 6, 2005
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    Larry J. Guest

    Waiving the right to remain silent, "danielw"
    Define "shoestring" in dollars...
    Larry J., Dec 6, 2005
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  3. This is what I use for shoestring (zero-budget) productions...
    Video switcher Panasonic WJ-AVE5 (out of production but availble on eBay)
    Two non-sync inputs, cameras or scan converter...
    VGA to NTSC scan-converter box (also good deals on eBay)
    Get audio from the house PA system.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 6, 2005
  4. danielw

    danielw Guest

    Thanks Richard, what would you record on? Is it possible to record
    straight on to a PC? Or into DV cam? Can I use the two sources without
    tapes set to record/pause? I understand the Panasonic bit of your
    suggestion and the house PA, what about the non-sunc inputs, what does
    that mean?
    danielw, Dec 7, 2005
  5. Anything you want, such as...
    1) VHS VCR
    2) DVD recorder
    3) Camcorder with video/audio input
    4) Computer (with video input)
    Sure. You need some method of digitizing the video
    on its way into the computer. My favorite is the Canopus
    ADVC series (several models at different prices)
    And then you need software to record. Could be as
    simple as Windows MovieMaker or DVIO (both free)
    Sure, as long as it has analog video record capability. Note that many
    camcorders distributed in Europe had this function disabled in order to
    avoid some insane "VCR tax". Is the EU still pulling silly stunts like
    this? There are services, devices, and instructions across the internet
    for reversing this artificial limitation.
    Not sure what this means? If you mean "Can I use camcorder(s) without
    tape as just a camera?" then the answer is yes (usually). Many (most?)
    camcorders will do this, but don't buy one without checking for sure.
    The Panasonic switcher lets you switch/dissolve/wipe between two
    different video sources (two cameras, or a camera and the computer video
    via a scan converter.)

    No use duplicating audio equipment that already exists.
    The word is "sync" (as in synchronization).
    It means that you can take two ordinary consumer video sources (like two
    cameras/camcorders, or a camcorder and a scan converter, etc.) and do
    special effects (switch, dissolve, wipe, picture-in-picture, etc.)
    between them without havint the picture break up. The picture would
    break up if you tried to do any of these transitions between two video
    signals that were not synchronized together. The traditional way of
    doing this was to use expensive video equipment with "genlock" which
    allows you to synchronize everytning together. But new digital equipment
    like the Panasonic WJ-AVE5 (and many others) have a couple of "frame
    synchronizers" built in to them so you don't have to worry about this.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 7, 2005
  6. Richard, sounds like you are the man! I will get on ebay and source the
    video mixer....When you say I can record on a DVD recorder: my normal
    DVD recorder I got with my TV? And if I want to add some intro after,
    is it easy to extract the DVD information and do some post production
    on my PC? Recording onto the PC: i have a yellow cinch input, is that
    it? Audio in is only a mini jack.... Thanks for your help here, this is
    great advice! Are you a professional?
    Daniel Wagner, Dec 7, 2005
  7. As long as it has conventional video and audio inputs
    i.e. the yellow, white & red RCA ("Cinch") jacks, it
    can likely be interconnected to any other consumer video
    eqipment such as the Panny WJ-AVE5, etc.

    Snce you appear to be in the UK, I am assuming you will
    be using PAL versions of this equipment. I am assuming
    that PAL versions of this equipment are available.
    Define "easy"? DVD recorders compress to MPEG2 and
    that is more problematic to import, convert, edit, etc. than
    something like DV. I would avoid DVD/MPEG2 if there
    was additional post production anticipated, but others are
    not as pessimistic as I am.
    Here in the Colonies, that would indicate a composite video
    connection. Assuming it means the same there in the Empire.
    Of course, the equipment manual would be definitive.
    An adapter/cable would take care of that.
    It is exactly the equipment setup I used a couple weeks
    ago for a large conference.
    I am not a professional mainly because I do mostly pro-
    bono work for non-profit schools, churches, community
    organizations, etc. If I ever retire from my day job, I may
    consider "going professional".
    Richard Crowley, Dec 7, 2005
  8. Great, enouhg said. Better get going and get some experience under my
    belt. Unless some more questions arise, I would like to thank you for
    now and wish you all the best, Richard. Where are you located?
    Daniel Wagner, Dec 7, 2005
  9. I'm in Portland, Oregon
    Good luck, Daniel.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 7, 2005
  10. danielw

    Steve Guidry Guest

    I'd recommend a similar setup, only with a different switcher. Try to find
    an Alta Centaurus or an Alta Pyxis E. (It has to be the "E" model.) Both
    those switchers keep the video in analog, avoiding a low-end trip through
    the A-to-D, D-to-A world, and all its attendant artifacts. Why this is
    important : If your video is good, you won't see much difference; but if
    it's at all marginal (think consumer cameras shooting in low light), then
    the improvement will be substantial over the AVE-5.

    For a scan converter, stick with anything Extron or one of the upper-end
    Scan-do products. Avoid ANYTHING that has the word "Aver-" in it. (Like
    Averkey, Averpro, Averscan, etc. It's dogmeat.)

    Steve Guidry, Dec 7, 2005
  11. There are several Extron scan converters on eBay right now.
    I can confirm that they are industrial-strength equipment, not
    the cheap plastic consumer stuff. And the ones on eBay generally
    go for a very good price for what you get. All the ones on eBay
    may be NTSC, however.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 8, 2005
  12. Thanks guys, I will investigate. I'll have a look on ebay UK.... small
    question regarding SP or LP when using DV tapes. Why choose SP?
    Daniel Wagner, Dec 8, 2005
  13. Just to check, the Scan Do and Extron are used to convert my ppt from
    laptop to feed it into the video mixer, correct? I had a search for the
    Alta Centaurus and the Pyxis E on ebay here in Europe and had no luck.
    These products are an alternative to the previously suggested Panasonic
    Daniel Wagner, Dec 8, 2005
  14. Because people frequently encounter problems playing
    back LP tapes, most especially when played back on a
    different machine, but sometimes playing back on the
    same machine that recorded it. If you hang around here
    long enough you will see people coming through here
    complaining that they can't read their LP tapes anymore.

    If I were going to tape something and then capture it the
    same evening, I might risk it, but otherwise I would avoid it.
    Richard Crowley, Dec 8, 2005
  15. Yes. They weren't very widely used here in NTSC-land (compared
    to the Panasonic), and it may be that there was not a PAL version
    of them?
    Richard Crowley, Dec 8, 2005
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    Steve Guidry Guest

    Compatibility with other folks' decks. It's better with SP.
    Steve Guidry, Dec 8, 2005
  17. Richard and Steve, thanks for your. I succeeded in two auctions and
    bought a PANASONIC - WJ-AVE5 and an Extron VSC100 Scan Converter. SO
    the last bit missing is a Canopus
    ADVC? I checked and my computer has a yellow cinch input but it is a
    SPIF... therefor I will need a converter, agreed? BTW I paid £150 for
    the Pana and £120 for the Extron. Hope that's decent.... Thanks for
    all your help and I will let you know how I am getting on.

    Daniel Wagner, Dec 13, 2005
  18. Any opinions on the Xtream 7230 DV<>Analogue video converter YCbCr IN
    & OUT as an ana-digi converter?
    Daniel Wagner, Dec 14, 2005
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