Two Kodak rumors

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by steven.sawyer, Nov 18, 2004.

  1. I just ran into a semi-informed Kodak rep the other day and he told me
    two rumors:
    Rumor #1 Kodak has or will move all film production overseas.
    Rumor #2 Kodak has or will introduce a new B&W film product this year.

    Can anyone confirm either of these?
    steven.sawyer, Nov 18, 2004
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  2. Almost certainly crap. Kodak has consolidated almost all U.S. film
    production at a highly automated plant in Texas; it's hard to see what
    the benefit would really be to moving it overseas (and there is a great
    deal of very recent sunk cost in Texas, as well).
    Already done: the T-Max films were changed (by removing their gelatin
    overcoats) when production moved to Texas.
    Thor Lancelot Simon, Nov 18, 2004
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    Tom Phillips Guest

    Well I don't really care _where_ they make film. And
    Kodak introducing a new film sounds good to me.
    Tom Phillips, Nov 19, 2004
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    Tom Phillips Guest

    Don't think that constitutes "new."
    Tom Phillips, Nov 19, 2004
  5. HUH? They just spent 1 billion on a new plant in Rochester.

    A C41 type?
    Uranium Committee, Nov 19, 2004
  6. That's exactly what I asked him and he said he didn't know. He then launched into
    a discussion of the digital world - of which I have no interest, but I pretended
    like I did hoping to pick up a few more rumors.
    steven.sawyer, Nov 20, 2004
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    Dan Quinn Guest

    RE: wrote
    Perhaps we will start seeing some the new technology high speed
    films. They are about due. Dan
    Dan Quinn, Nov 21, 2004
  8. I talked to Kodak today and will get more info tomorrow.
    Kodak has been shutting down its overseas production
    facilities. They recently closed the Harrow, England plant
    and the plant in Australia, and shut down production in
    France some time ago. They ARE working with a Chinese film
    manufacturer but not to make film for the world market. At
    present Kodak is concentrating all film production in
    Rochester. This makes sense because film is a shrinking
    The person at Kodak did not know of any contemplated new
    film but thinks this may be a confusion with the new
    chromogenic B&W film Kodak came out with about two years
    Richard Knoppow, Nov 22, 2004

  9. I talked with a Kodak customer service person this
    morning. Kodak does not have any film production in Texas,
    its all at Rochester, N.Y. I will be talking to a specialist
    tomorrow about changes in B&W film but from what I already
    know T-Max was produced in the color film plant for some
    time before moving Tri-X and Plus-X there. The films still
    are overcoated. Overcoating is important to protect the
    emulsion from abrasion and also carries an anti-static
    material. Also, it controls the rate of diffusion of
    developer into the film. In the past the overcoatings of
    T-Max 100 and T-Max 400 were adjusted so that the
    development times were enough alike to allow simultaneous
    development of the two. Kodak did announce that it was
    improving the anti-static properties of the films. I suspect
    some changes were made in the emulsion for Tri-X since there
    are many reports of finer grain from the newer film. Small
    changes in emulsion making are made continually during a
    film's lifetime. Although Tri-X has been on the market as a
    roll film for 50 years (but at least a decade longer as
    sheet film) its very unlikely the current emulsion is
    exactly the same as in the past, just similar in overall
    I will post tomorrow if I am able to learn more specific
    BTW, I think Kodak has a large photofinishing plant in
    Texas, perhaps this is what you were thinking of.
    Richard Knoppow, Nov 22, 2004
  10. Yeah, I think I mixed up "consolidated photofinishing at" and
    "consolidated film maufacturing at". There's a lot of consolidation
    going on at Kodak these days (let's hope they get the efficiencies
    they need to keep film in production at all!).
    Thor Lancelot Simon, Nov 22, 2004
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    Tom Phillips Guest

    I've had recent experiences with ragged edges and peeling
    of the overcoating/emulsion with 100 TMX 4x5. Quite a number
    of sheets, in fact, though to date Kodak representatives
    I've spoken to have denied any knowledge of such a problem.

    Don't know if anyone else has had this issue but maybe you
    might ask whoever you talk to if he/she knows anything
    about it.
    Tom Phillips, Nov 23, 2004
  12. After reading this, I might have heard one of my rumors wrong. I
    thought I heard that they were moving film manufacture overseas, but
    then he went on to talk about overseas operations they were shutting
    down. This confused me at the time and now I'm thinking that he
    actually was saying that they were shutting down overseas operations and
    not the other way around. But the "new" B&W film I did not mishear. He
    made it sound like it was going to be introduced real soon. Now it
    could have been just an improvement to TMX or something like that, but
    he mentioned it more than once that there was a "new" B&W product coming
    steven.sawyer, Nov 23, 2004
  13. Per Don Thompson of Kodak, on the phone a few minutes
    ago: All T-Max films, Tri-X, and Plus-X have overcoating.
    The overcoating was changed when production was moved to
    provide improved anti-scratch protection. Also these films
    all now have UV filtering in the overcoating, T-Max did not
    have UV filtering in the past. All of the films have added
    anti-static properties partly to make it easier to
    manufacture and partly to protect it from static charges
    during use. Static electricity can build up on the film
    during winding and result in small lightning like marks on
    the film.
    There is no manufacturing plant in Texas. All Kodak films
    are made in Rochester, N.Y.
    He did not address the question of a new film but the
    fellow I talked to the other day did and said he did not
    know of any such plan. However, Kodak did come out with a
    new version of its B&W chromogenic film about 2 years ago
    and this may be a confusion with that.
    Richard Knoppow, Nov 24, 2004
  14. I think they also recently dropped the version of the chromogenic film that
    doesn't have the orange dye in it. Perhaps they're planning on reinstating
    Andrew Koenig, Nov 25, 2004

  15. AFAIK, Kodak never made such a film. Ilford does.
    Kodak's chromogenic films are made to print on color paper
    on "one hour" machines with minimum adjustment of the
    filtration. The "professional" film has less of the orange
    mask color than the amateur films, but all have some. Ilford
    XP films are intended to print on B&W paper so they don't
    need the mask. Kodak films will also print on B&W paper but
    the mask looks like a very high base density to them and it
    may throw off variable contrast filters.
    I doubt if Kodak or any of the other large manufacturers
    is gong to come out with any new films of any sort in the
    forseeable future. For one thing none of them has a research
    department any more. They are all concentrating on surviving
    in a market which has largely switched to digital. It makes
    no sense for them to spend research dollars on new products
    which will appeal to a small and perhaps shrinking market.
    Richard Knoppow, Nov 27, 2004
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    John Guest

    The T400CN had almost no color mask in the film. At least not
    in the few rolls that I used. You couldn't mistake it for T-Max of


    John S. Douglas, Photographer -
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    John, Nov 29, 2004
  17. I have trouble keeping up with these developments, so perhaps I am
    incorrect, but wasn't T400CN recently replaced by a film which does have
    the orange color mask? I thought that the new film was intended to
    replace both T400CN and their other 400 speed chromogenic film.

    Charles Hohenstein
    Charles Hohenstein, Nov 29, 2004
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    John Guest

    Kodak stated the following :

    "Does KODAK PROFESSSIONAL BW400CN Film replace any other products in
    Kodak's portfolio?

    Yes. BW400CN Film is a direct replacement for KODAK PROFESSIONAL
    PORTRA 400BW Film and also replaces KODAK PROFESSIONAL T400CN Film."

    As usual, I have to disagree with the marketing department.
    This film is NOT a replacement for the discontinued T400CN which was
    easily printed on regular B-&-W materials.


    John S. Douglas, Photographer -
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    John, Nov 30, 2004
  19. There's one, already in the planning stages, which I really hope comes
    through. According to someone at Kodak a year or more ago, Elite Chrome 200
    and E200 are soon to be reworked the same way that Elite Chrome 100 and E100
    were recently reworked, to make them considerably finer-grained.

    I would have expected this to happen by now, and I'm worried that Kodak is
    just never going to get around to it.
    Michael A. Covington, Dec 2, 2004
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