Ulead DVD Workshop -- A Complete Piece of SH*T?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Agent_C, Jan 9, 2004.

  1. Agent_C

    Agent_C Guest

    OMG, I can't believe what a complete piece of shit Ulead DVD Workshop
    turned out to be for me.

    I installed it last night, and no matter what I did, it wouldn't
    render the RF signal from my ATI AIW card. Reads the Composite and
    S-Video outputs OK, just wouldn't read anything off the RF tuner.
    Mind you, all (all) the other video capture programs I've evaluated on
    this machine had no problem finding the source, once I select the
    proper input, including ATI Multimedia Center 7.x, which is known to
    be very temperamental.

    If that wasn't bad enough... The thing completely locked-up while
    capturing from the composite leads, requiring an end-task and re-boot
    to recover from. (all of a sudden the soundtrack had a life of its
    own). In my experience, lock-up's are a trademark of Ulead software.

    Over the years I've evaluated many Ulead and other multimedia software
    products. No single vender has so consistently produced such unstable
    software as Ulead. I can't believe it... I always want to think
    they've gotten better, but they always disappoint.

    YMMV, of course, but I'm giving up on this careless and sloppy
    developer.

    A_C
     
    Agent_C, Jan 9, 2004
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  2. Agent_C

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    I've had similar experiences with Ulead software and no longer use any of
    their products.

    I have to admit, their products are very newbie friendly and do a lot of
    hand-holding to get people up and creating DVD-Videos and DVD-Video "slide
    shows". Newbies tend to love Ulead stuff while most power users I know
    tend to require stuff that is a lot more stable and debugged.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Jan 9, 2004
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  3. Agent_C

    J. James Guest

    Hey Nomen:

    I'm still up & flying thanks to your & Will's tips on another thread.

    Off topic here, although I've had a similar frustration w/ Roxio. Roxio
    software (Photosuite) was provided w/ my Memorex dvd dual mode burner.
    Photosuite, which I've used in the past when MGI owned it, seemed to be
    pretty decent. But the one bundled w/ the DVD burner is junk. You
    can't edit photos once you've captured them. Like Agent_C, I wasted a ton
    of time trying to figure it out. After searching the newsgroups & the roxio
    forum board, I've found the problem is quite common, w/ no apparent
    solution. I suppose I should not have expected much from a freebee Roxio
    program.

    I have two other photo editing programs which are much superior to, and
    easier to use, than photosuite anyway. Both Jasc products: After Shot
    (which I believe now is called Photo Album, or something like that) and
    Paint Shop Pro are excellent programs. I still have to figure out which
    remaining bundled Roxio programs, if any, may be useful for DVD purposes.
    In the meantime, I have Pinnacle Studio DV which seems to be fine. -
    Similar to Agent_C, I'll never purchase a Roxio software program. Live &
    learn...
     
    J. James, Jan 9, 2004
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  4. Agent_C

    Brian Guest

    So what software do power users use Nomen?

    Regards Brian
     
    Brian, Jan 10, 2004
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  5. Agent_C

    Nomen Nescio Guest

    I certainly can't speak for all power users, just a few friends and
    acquaintances I know, so keep that in mind as I go on. Also, keep in mind
    I am speaking about the creation of DVD-Video on PCs, not VCD, SVCD, etc.

    First of all, nobody I know of who does a lot of desktop video work uses
    Ulead products for serious stuff. I've known a few who have used stuff
    like DVD Pictureshow to throw a simple slide show together to give to Mom,
    Dad or some friends.

    For the generation and editing of menus, power users use Adobe's Photshop
    and not Ulead's PhotoImpact XL.

    For audio editing, power users use Sony's Sound Forge, Steinberg's WaveLab
    and Dart's Dart Pro, not Ulead's Media Studio Pro.

    For audio encoding, power users use Sonic Foundry's Soft Encode, Sony's
    Vegas+DVD or Surcode's Dolby Digital/DTS audio encoders not Ulead's DVD
    Workshop AC-3.

    For video editing, power users use Adobe Premiere Pro, Sony's Vegas v4.0 or
    Avid's Xpress (DV) not Ulead's Media/Video Studio.

    For video encoding, power users use Canopus' ProCoder or Cinemacraft's
    Encoder, not the encoders included in Ulead products.

    Most power users use ELEMENTARY streams for their DVD-Video creation and
    NOT PROGRAM streams. Older Ulead products, such as DVD Workshop did not
    work well with ELEMENTARY streams. I do not believe they supported
    DVD-compliant half-D1 MPEG-2 video or Quarter SIF MPEG-1 video. In fact, I
    am told, the first release of DVD Workshop did not even support Dolby
    Digital (AC-3) audio. I think support came around v1.3, and even then
    there were certain restrictions such as you had to import a MPEG-2
    video/MP2-audio program stream, delete the audio stream and replace it with
    the AC-3 stream or something like that.

    For DVD-authoring, power users use Sonic's ReelDVD, Sonic's Scenarist or
    SpruceUp's DVDMaestro not Ulead's DVD Workshop AC-3.
     
    Nomen Nescio, Jan 10, 2004
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  6. Agent_C

    ypauls Guest

    I've had good luck with their products, and no I do not think it is less
    capable than other editing/DVD creating products.
     
    ypauls, Jan 20, 2004
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