Unusual sight at Luxembourg Airport

Discussion in 'Photography' started by ellx-lux, Feb 5, 2005.

  1. ellx-lux

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Your criticism. When you show us your work, your criticism will have some
    integrity. Until then, it's so much hot air. After all, how do we know you
    have an inkling of what you're talking about?

    For example, take this very thread, where you criticized something you knew
    absolutely nothing about. What he photographed was an extremely rare event,
    rendering your statement specious.

    I'm not trying to be rude, but I am getting a little tired of the bullshit
    that's lately created a lot of noise in here. Many of us are serious
    hobbyists and professionals, here to provide mutual support, advice,
    respect, and constructive critique. If you want to participate, I think
    that's terrific. But if you want to be another "me" or "uranium committee",
    who have done nothing but disrupt the newsgroup with a lot of nonsense that
    has little to do with photographic arts, kindly take it somewhere else.
    Thanks,
     
    Mike Kohary, Feb 8, 2005
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  2. ellx-lux

    Guest Guest



    I am not a fan of pictures that require long winded captions to spark
    interest, the picture is unremarkable, my opinion, I'm entitled to that,
    just as you are entitled to yours.
     
    Guest, Feb 8, 2005
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  3. ellx-lux

    Owamanga Guest

    It has good geekyness value though.

    I was considering having it enlarged to 36x24 and hang it in my guest
    bathroom for a while.

    Should any guests enquire why the plane picture is there instead of
    the usual nude, I'll ask them if they read the caption.

    "Yes."

    "So, it's quite amazing isn't it?"

    <blank stare>

    ....and then let them guess if it was the date, Feb 3rd, the 4 Atlas
    air tail fins, the photographer Tony Decker, or the fact that it's
    parking area P7 that is so amazing. When they give up and ask me what
    the answer is...

    "To this day... I have no clue."
     
    Owamanga, Feb 8, 2005
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    brian Guest

    One man's art is another man's shite, and vice versa, it may appear "geeky"
    to you, but it's a photograph of something that HE likes, therefore it has
    both photographic merit AND subject merit to him. As it IS a photograph,
    then it has every right to be shown on this NG, any caption is neither here
    nor there. As was pointed out, this is a photography NG, give him some
    pointers on how to make it a more interesting photograph to NON planespotter
    photographers, a closer crop of the tail fins would have given a more
    abstract photograph, if he could have gotten up higher and managed to get
    all four fins in a line and cropped out all the clutter in the right bottom
    of the shot it would have been a more interesting shot to non planespotters.
    Feel free to pull it to bits on any points of bad photography but ignore the
    subject.

    Brian...........................
     
    brian, Feb 8, 2005
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  5. ellx-lux

    Owamanga Guest

    *Appear* geeky? This is the very definition of geekyness.
    Oh I know. I've seen the other 20 tail-fin photos on his website.
    Yes, and geeky merit to some of us too.
    I actually find it quite amusing, and have never suggested he
    shouldn't show it on this NG. I'm all for a little humor every so
    often.
    I disagree, the caption is a very important part of this photo.
    Without the caption, it's just a photo of some plane rear-ends. With
    the caption, it's geeky score increases ten-fold.

    You do realize that one of those planes is N-493-MC don't you?

    ...and lets not forget, this all happened on Feb 3rd.
    Naked girls always seem to do the trick. Imagine how much better the
    Tiananmen Square photos would have been if they'd just had some added
    some cheerleaders into the mix. Tank 'n' cheerleaders, you can't go
    wrong.
    NOOOOO!, you'll destroy it's only merit - it's geekyness.
    *Clutter?* You heathen! That's Luxembourg ground crew down there. Take
    that away, and the aircraft could have been anywhere. How could a
    casual observer be able to identify the critical P7 gate area if you
    cropped it away?
    But the changes you suggest would have cropped all the geekyness out
    of the image, and that is it's only redeeming value to normal people,
    erm... sorry... non planespotters.
    But the subject is the only reason for the photograph.

    If you've picked up a National Geographic recently, you'll realize
    that sharp focus, good choice of aperture or the right film for the
    job are no longer important to today's readers. If the subject is
    interesting enough they'll run the photo regardless.

    I put this image in the same category, (although it doesn't suffer any
    of the technical problems listed above). I believe that the subject
    'geeky airport photo' is strong enough to overcome it's own minor
    technical problems such as serious noise, purple halo fringing on the
    leading edges of the fins and color balance issues.

    <g>

    (Apologies to Tony Decker for taking the piss).
     
    Owamanga, Feb 8, 2005
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    brian Guest

    I agree, it's a crap photo, and it's a crap photo of a bad subject, and
    that, plane, train or any other spotters are without doubt, sad individuals,
    but.....................nah your right, its geeky, I was trying to rescue
    him, but I have failed miserably.

    Brian.......................
     
    brian, Feb 8, 2005
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    me Guest

    (groans) It starts......
    And you do you pompus ass?
    Plus mutual masturbation and familial ego stroking.
    No you don't you prevaricating SOS! You want everyone to bend over and kiss
    your ass!
    Dear Unspam:
    You have just been attacked by an alt.photography NG gang member. They
    decide what's off topic and who is
    ostracized from this NG.
    Film best,
    me

    PS: The alt.photography gang hate it when I say film best. They first
    attacked me on 10/29/04 in "Camera for my Wife": http://tinyurl.com/5brkq
     
    me, Feb 8, 2005
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    Mike Kohary Guest

    You are, but your opinion could be rendered with more tact. "Planes in an
    airport, how unusual," was the comment a complete asswipe would make, not a
    fellow photographer trying to be constructive.
     
    Mike Kohary, Feb 9, 2005
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    Guest Guest


    Obviously humour is lost in the NG
     
    Guest, Feb 9, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    I, at least, could appreciate it.
     
    Owamanga, Feb 9, 2005
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    me Guest

    Watch that name calling Mike or grol will call you childish!
    Film best,
    me
     
    me, Feb 9, 2005
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    grol Guest

    sarcasm != real humour
     
    grol, Feb 9, 2005
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    ellx-lux Guest

    Thanks a lot for the discussion & support (from some of you). I have
    uploaded some new aviation pictures under http://decker.antoine.free.fr This
    time night pictures of the first operation from the 16th B747/400F of China
    Airlines. I also think that this kind of photography should not be
    classified under regular "spotter" photography.

    Concerning the question about access to the tarmac, I do work for the local
    handling agent. Otherwise it would be rather difficult to get these pictures
    done.
     
    ellx-lux, Feb 9, 2005
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  14. ellx-lux

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Whatever. If you don't want to play nice, you won't win many friends.
    Simple as that.
     
    Mike Kohary, Feb 10, 2005
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  15. ellx-lux

    Mike Kohary Guest

    So, what's a geeky subject from which photos would interest you? Do you
    mind if we make fun of it? ;)
     
    Mike Kohary, Feb 10, 2005
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    Owamanga Guest

    Ok. The cockpit ones, lots of gauges, lights and buttons. Or aircraft
    actually, you know, *flying*.

    Examples:

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/765396/M/
    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/767720/M/
    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/767631/M/
    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/773366/M/

    Try, by all means, make as much fun as you want. Just remember that to
    make fun, you have to be funny.
     
    Owamanga, Feb 10, 2005
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    grol Guest

    grol, Feb 10, 2005
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  18. ellx-lux

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Those are pretty nice photos - I like the sunset view out of the cockpit.
    But since I'm not into planes, I find them about as interesting as the
    planes on the tarmac. I'm a guitar geek, so I dig photos of guitars. They
    don't have to actually be being played, either - in fact, I prefer them just
    sitting there. ;)

    To each his own geek, eh?
     
    Mike Kohary, Feb 11, 2005
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    grol Guest

    Those images brought back memories of a Foo Fighters video - I forget the name
    of the song.
    grol
     
    grol, Feb 11, 2005
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