Updated Video Editing Program and Canon HV20/HV30 Reviews

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by David Ruether, Jul 19, 2008.

  1. David Ruether, Jul 19, 2008
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  2. Hello David -

    I just finished building my Matrox RT-X2 Premiere Pro CS3 system and
    programming it. It works like butter, perfectly editing HDV in real time and
    outputting onto a High Def monitor. I can monitor the captures, the editing,
    and the output of the timeline on my 26" LCD monitor in HD. Captures split
    the shots into individual clips. Matrox 3D effects are key-framable and you
    manipulate the positioning and scaling by grabbing handles right within the
    program monitor itself. I have dual screen monitors to spread the Premiere
    Pro across two screens. Haven't gotten to transferring the output to tape or
    Encore yet, but the system is Blu-Ray capable and can output to anything
    from HD to Flash. My video from the HV20 is amazing and doesn't lose quality
    on editing. Much like DV.

    Gary Eickmeier
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 23, 2008
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  3. Ir appears that your system, expensive as it is, may have been worth
    building to avoid the normal image degradation and long render times
    encountered when using PE-4 and CS3 with software recompression.
    Ulead VideoStudio, Sony Vegas Pro 8, and the higher end Magix
    do not recompress unchanged footage, so they have some of the
    advantages of what you built (but not all...) and do it entirely with
    software. I would be interested to know if very difficult footage (shot
    with the HV20 zoom at the short end, with very contrasty fine-detail
    subjects in motion), with a slight filter added to the footage (which
    would normally force recompression in the software), looks as good
    as the raw footage when the two tracks are synched one over the other
    on the timeline and alternately carefully viewed to compare various
    individual frames (software edited footage with PE-4 and CS3
    sometimes fails this test, sometimes rather badly). If the footage passes
    this test, I may want to add some of your comments to the review, with
    your permission.
    --David Ruether
    David Ruether, Jul 23, 2008
  4. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest

    I have been following your Matrox comments with interest Gary and have a
    couple questions, if you don't mind.

    First, I wonder how rendering is handled. When 3D effects, titles, etc. are
    previewed, the Matrox hardware obviously allows real time. How does the
    eventual rendering process get handled when the time comes to output the
    entire 'movie' to its ultimate HD output. I would imagine that BluRay mpeg2
    HDV would be fast, but I would like your confirmation, but am also
    especially interested in alternate AVCD/h.264 output, and wonder if this
    option is supported, and if so, at hardware accelerated rendering speed.

    Second, and related to the first, is the situation for AVCHD content. I am
    wondering if there are any provisions to handle AVCHD anywhere in the
    workflow, ingest, edit, preview, output.......perhaps something as simple as
    adding some AVCHD content to the Premiere time line with or without Matrox

    One last topic just came to mind also, and that is whether you have found
    anything about the Matrox which you do not like. They have been doing video
    for a really long time, and this RT-X2 comes from a lot of very good prior
    engineering, so I would be surprised if it had any real "gotchas", but you
    are in a good position to offer any comments here.

    Thanks in advance Gary for your feedback / comments.

    Smarty, Jul 23, 2008
  5. Wow, you guys are putting me to the test. I am still learning the hardware
    and the programs. Bought a couple of training discs, still reading the
    books. I will check as many of these questions as I can over the weekend, if
    able. I have been helped a lot by both of your posts.

    Gary Eickmeier
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 24, 2008
  6. Wow, you guys are putting me to the test. I am still learning the hardware
    and the programs. Bought a couple of training discs, still reading the
    books. I will check as many of these questions as I can over the weekend, if
    able. I have been helped a lot by both of your posts.

    Gary Eickmeier
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 25, 2008
  7. David Ruether

    Smarty Guest

    My apologies Gary. My questions were really more suited for somebody at
    Matrox who has more familiarity with the hardware and capabilities. Please
    do not feel in any way obliged to answer the questions I posed, and I will
    be glad to get them addressed in a more appropriate way.


    Smarty, Jul 25, 2008
  8. Sorry, "inquiring minds want to know"...;-) For me it is curiosity,
    since finances prevent this editing solution for me. No hurry,
    and no need ever, if you don't get to doing any tests. Just edit...! ;-)
    --David Ruether
    David Ruether, Jul 25, 2008
  9. Yes, I understand. This is an exciting time, kind of like when we got into
    digital video. Gorgeous HD images with all the effects and tricks we could
    do in standard DV, only now in high def. I also got a few of the Digital
    Juice HD graphics kits - some Toolkits Pro and some Editor's Themekits (for
    weddings). This Digital Juice stuff is very attractive, and I wonder if you
    guys are into it. The Juicer lets you browse all of the product loaded onto
    your computer, or all of the products in their line, quickly and easily.
    Then if you find a background or wipe that you like, you tell it to render
    that one onto your hard drive, and you go get that disc, and render it out
    to an HDV file - or a sound, or whatever it is. I have never needed the
    Juicer before, because all of the effects in DV were already complete, so
    you just slap them onto your drive and use them. But in HD, it is necessary
    to render them out. It takes them to whatever file type you want. I like the
    Smartsound products too. Sonicfire Pro.

    Editing heaven, if you can learn it all.

    Do you guys know of a method we could share some of our results - something
    easier than tape? I don't have a burner yet for HD, but I am thinking you
    can put short HD files on a regular DVD for play in a computer - or even to
    E-mail or FTP - WMV-9 perhaps???

    Gary Eickmeier
    Gary Eickmeier, Jul 26, 2008
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