Upgrade to Nikon F6 from F100?

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by ar-fr, Sep 28, 2004.

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    ar-fr Guest


    Would it make sense to upgrade to a Nikon F6 from an F100? I'm not a
    professional and I'm using the F100 for general photography.

    I also have the FM2 and following lenses:
    MF 24mm f/2.8
    MF 50mm f/1.8
    AF 35mm f/2.0
    AF-S 24-85mm
    AF-D 80-200mm f/2.8 (latest version)

    Is the F6 more compatible with the MF lenses than the F100 (metering)? I
    suppose so... I'm still interested in buying MF lenses (example: 105mm

    I also have the SB-28 flash.

    Thanks in advance!
    ar-fr, Sep 28, 2004
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    Roger Guest

    The F6 on paper is a great sounding camera. The most significant
    feature you would be gaining over the F100 is the color matrix
    metering for all your lenses. If you shoot significantly with the
    vertical grip, you would also be gaining a lot of convenience with the
    F6 vertical grip over the F100 grip. For your AF lenses you gain the
    color aspect of the matrix metering and for your MF lenses you gain
    significantly as in matrix and color matrix metering.

    I have both an F5 and F100 and for me the F6 integrates the best of
    both and throws in the significant features from the D2* series. The
    features that I would use significantly on the F6 are those on the
    vertical grip; plus the updated metering and the full featured use of
    MF lenses.

    I especially like the ability to assign the exposure compensation on
    the F100 to the command wheel (the F5 doesn't have that feature).
    However, that said I don't use exposure compensation nearly so much
    with the F5 as with the F100, the F5 meter is better. So I think that
    would be one of my most used features on the F100 that wouldn't be as
    necessary on "upgrading" to the F6.

    You also gain in the frames per second department.

    You will have to research the feature compatibility of the SB-28
    further. I don't know much about the backward compatibility in the
    strobe department. If you find out, please post. I'm currently using a
    SB-80dx and it works well with the F100/F5.

    My spouse is pushing any further investments towards digital, however
    I'm really drawn to the F6.

    Roger, Sep 28, 2004
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    Alan Browne Guest

    It might make more sen$e to wait and see if the rumored F105/F200 (whatever it
    is and whatever it ends up being named) comes out in the next while. Not sure
    about the metering with older lenses in the F6 or the rumored camera.

    Alan Browne, Sep 28, 2004
  4. I don't understand this.....I change my EC all the time with the thumb wheel
    just behind the trigger button....(You have to press a button labeled +/- on
    top while you do this, which assigns it to that wheel) Once it's set, it
    will not change, even if you turn the camera off, and back on again. You
    will have to use the wheel to change it back. It is a control I use on my F5
    all the time.....
    William Graham, Sep 28, 2004
  5. Like the D2H and D2X, you get matrix metering with AI and AI-S lenses
    on the F6.
    Michael Benveniste, Sep 29, 2004
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    Dallas Guest

    I would never recommend a body upgrade for anyone who doesn't need one. I
    wasn't aware that the F100 can't meter with MF lenses, which totally
    sucks, but looking at your lens collection, I would say that if you wanted
    a Nikon that can take pretty much any Nikkor lens, you should be looking
    at a used F4.

    With an AF-S lens on the F4, AF is not a problem, but the real benefit of
    using this body is that you can mount and use pre-AI and AI lenses without
    any problems. You can even use G lenses in P, Ph and S modes.

    The body offers everything a Nikon shooter could ever want, from high FPS,
    to 1/8000sec shutter speeds, matrix metering (even with AI lenses), a
    boatload of accessories - most notably the MF-23 back, interchangeable
    screens and prisms, plus a couple of drive options as well. I have a ML-1
    remote control unit for the body that has a range of 60m, plus a remote
    trigger that attaches with a cable. If you don't have those then you can
    use an ordinary screw in release with the F4s drive option.

    I've never owned a more adaptable Nikon body. Long live the F4!!!

    BTW, I recently did a roll of slides in my studio with the F4s and the
    105mm f/2.5 AI. Wow! That lens rocks!
    Dallas, Sep 29, 2004
  7. The F100 most certainly does meter with manual lenses, but only in
    centre-weighted and spot metering modes. You also lose program mode and
    shutter priority. Still, a lot is left and I use this capability on my F100
    quite a lot, since I'm too cheap to buy autofocus macro lenses and my manual
    ones are optically excellent.

    Jim MacKenzie, Sep 29, 2004
  8. The F100 can meter with AI and AI-S lenses, but only in center-weighted
    and spot modes. No matrix metering. You also lose shutter-priority
    and program modes. Ditto for the F5.

    The D2H/D2X/F6 family restores the matrix metering option.
    Michael Benveniste, Sep 29, 2004
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    Alex Wilde Guest

    On the F100, you can do this, just the same, without pressing the +/-
    button. It's not that big a deal.
    Alex Wilde, Sep 30, 2004
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    Roger Guest

    I find it is that big of a deal for me, especially with MF lenses and
    center weighted or spot metering. I have the +/- control when needed
    for multiple exposure under similar lighting but also having complete
    control on a per exposure basis under fast changing conditions with
    everything displayed in the VF. Coupled with the exposure toggle lock
    and the wheel, it's a very versatile arrangement that the F5 can offer
    only with the +/- dial and constant pressure on the exposure lock.

    Using these features on the F100, you can shift the sensitive CW or
    spot exposure area off the main subject and lock with the AE lock
    (toggle) and then compensate during recomposing if necessary. There
    are many other ways to manage this [even turn it off], but I find it
    very convenient and miss the versatility on my F5.

    However, that said, I do have fewer problems with the metering on the
    F5 than on the F100. In high contrast situations and in low light, the
    F100 seems to be biased towards the use of strobe. The F5 doesn't seem
    to have that bias and I find myself using compensation much less

    Roger, Sep 30, 2004
  11. I second your opinion of the F4.

    I have a question about flare (not ghosts) with the 105 f/2.5 in the
    studio. When I shoot a blank white portrait background using a white
    background cloth and overexposing the background, say f/11 or f/16
    with an f/8 subject, I start to lose contrast due to flare at anything
    beyond one stop over. My best Nikon (and other) lenses may get to 1
    1/2 over but they're obviously flaring at 2 stops over. I often end
    up placing black flags on both sides of the subject to block reflected
    light from the background that is out of frame. Do you have a feel
    for the flare performance of your 105 f/2.5 Nikkor compared to any
    other lenses you have used in your studio?

    Bob Kirkpatrick
    Bob Kirkpatrick, Sep 30, 2004
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    Dallas Guest

    I wonder why they skipped out the F5 generation with regards matrix
    metering on AIS lenses?

    Dallas, Sep 30, 2004
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    Dallas Guest

    Hi Bob,

    Geez, I'd love to give you a definitive answer based on my own experiences
    but unfortunately I have never used a white background in studio! In most
    of the portraiture I do I use either a black backdrop or a light blue one
    and with my limited lighting setup, I seldom have a light available for
    the background (hence the use of black most of the time).

    Next time I do a studio lit session I will chuck a white sheet over the
    normal background and test the AIS version for flare on my D70. My studio
    is actually my garage so I have to move a bunch of things about everytime
    I want to shoot anything.

    What I can tell you about the 105mm f/2.5 is that it has very smooth bokeh
    and is razor sharp. I have two versions, the older pre-AI and the AI. I
    find that the older one seems to have smoother bokeh.
    Dallas, Sep 30, 2004
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