Used Sigma SD-9 body

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Mike Tuthill, Feb 1, 2004.

  1. Mike Tuthill

    Mike Tuthill Guest

    Seeing as I already have an SA lens collection I'm interested in a
    SD-9 body. The "new" price is still a little steep so I'm interested
    in seeing if I can pick up a used body. Does anyone know of an online
    shop that would have such an animal?

    Mike Tuthill, Feb 1, 2004
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  2. There's a guy on this group named George Preddy trying to get rid of his.

    Gary Eickmeier
    Gary Eickmeier, Feb 2, 2004
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  3. They are very hard to find used. But at the $629 mark new for a 10.3MP pro
    bodied DSLR, going used seems a little hard to justify...

    I've never ordered from them, but I know one person who bought an SD9 there
    with no problems.
    The 10.3MP SD9 (14MP-interpolated) is the best DSLR made, nothing comes
    close to its medium format film quality non-interpolated output. In fact,
    no other digital camera can even produce a non-interpolated true photograph.
    Film is the only other option.

    The SD9 is arguably better than the SD10, but that all depends on what you
    value most. The 14MP-interpolated Kodak 14n has massive artifacting
    problems, and the $8000 Canon 1Ds is too low res in full color at only
    George Preddy, Feb 2, 2004
  4. Mike Tuthill

    CBM Guest

    Just goes to show that they are going for more on ebay. Fools.
    CBM, Feb 2, 2004
  5. Mike Tuthill

    CBM Guest

    Just checked out some of their prices, and canon is holding its price no
    The SD9 is only 30 bucks higher than a Minolta A1
    Hummm, might go with the A1.
    CBM, Feb 2, 2004
  6. Good one.
    George Preddy, Feb 2, 2004
  7. Mike Tuthill

    Lionel Guest

    Heh. Half the price of the 10D, & Sigma still can't get rid of them.
    Crappy though the SD9 colour is, at that throwaway price you'd think
    that people would be willing to take a chance on them. I guess that even
    the most unfussy types don't think 3.4 megapixels is worth bothering
    From the same website you just quoted above:
    "CanonĀ EOS-1DS, 11.1 Megapixel SLR Digital Camera"
    Lionel, Feb 2, 2004
  8. Mike Tuthill

    Bill Guest

    Acknowledged by???


    Bill, Feb 2, 2004
  9. They are sold out.
    George Preddy, Feb 2, 2004
  10. The new ones are much better than Canon L on value. On absolute performance
    the Sigma EXs are gernerally better, but Canon does make a few good
    George Preddy, Feb 2, 2004
  11. Yes, the SD10 replaced it. The two are about the same, the 10 increases
    sensitivity by a stop in exchange for a hair less sharpness. In good light
    the 9 is better, in poor light the 10 is better, both are close. Both will
    carry 3 to 4X the color resolution of a 6MP-interpolated Bayer, and 2X the
    color resolution of a 1Ds. The SD10 also has a single battery source, but
    as a result a little less power too. The Power Pack is good for 2000 shots
    with CRV3s or 1000 shots with AA NiMHs with both, so its hard to care.
    George Preddy, Feb 2, 2004
  12. Mike Tuthill

    Lionel Guest

    Yeah, sure.
    Lionel, Feb 3, 2004
  13. Michael Benveniste, Feb 3, 2004
  14. ....who've never used a Foveon camera...
    "Settling" for not having Canon printed on a really lousy, low res, blurry
    DSLR is not a big deal. Canon makes some decent DSLR bodies (i.e.
    everything but the dRebel), but their sensors are the worst on value. The
    only Canon I would consider is the 11MP-interpolated, 2.7MP-non-interpolated
    $8000 1Ds. It has enough optical sensors that even after Bayer
    inefficiencies and required downscaling and sharening, you can print a
    decent photo. But the SD9's 14MP-interpolated, 3.4MP-non-interpolated
    prints are noticably better, so at $630 its a pretty easy choice.

    The SD10 is a great machine too, its easer to shoot in low light because
    there is no need to -EV on the body and +EV in RAW, but I would argue that
    the microlenses that make that possible also make the image just a tiny bit
    softer. Still, no where near as soft (read: very blurry) as Bayer DSLR, but
    a hair softer than the 9. If you value the ultimate in well lit image
    quality, get the 9. If you value a little more low light convenience, get
    the 10. But even that is too oversimplified, for example the money saved on
    the 9 may facilitates buying brighter pro lenses.

    As you'll see in the link below, Canon gets a lot of charity and tact in
    exchange for their continued sponsorship.

    "The prints that were displayed of both the Canon 1Ds and the SD9 were quite
    impressive. I was particularly impressed by the sharpness and color quality
    exhibited by the Foveon prints."

    "Adam, thanks for having the Foveon people come down. And yes, the 1Ds is an
    awesome machine. If it had a Foveon chip in it, I wouldn't be sleeping."

    "The Foveon presentation by Dick Merrill was an eye-opener. I understood the
    concept of the Foveon sensor, but when he indicated that it had no problem
    "seeing" colors as narrow as only 1 pixel as opposed to the way every other
    sensor kind of falls apart and guesses (creating color fringes and
    what-not), I was amazed. Looking at the results, seeing the clarity of the
    prints, makes me want to not wait till Canon wakes up. The SD-9 felt like a
    brick, and feel is very important in a tool that's meant to be responsive,
    but if I have to use a brick to produce images like the ones I saw at the
    meeting, so be it. That might be the only way to send a message to Canon.
    Vote with my money."

    "Outstanding, highly interactive's always interesting watching
    a fledgling technology emerging into the harsh reality of "tunnel vision"
    and "legacy methodolgy". It will be interesting to see if, after the
    discussions that Foveon has with Canon, Nikon, and others, and if, after the
    SD-9 has been out a while, the CCD and CMOS technolgies fade away to the
    vertical sensor approach. I was truly amazed with the clarity of the
    pictures...Truly incredible. I certainly understand it a lot better than I
    did. And it was great catcing up with an old friend of mine, Eric Zarakov
    (Apple days...well gone by). As for the 1Ds, it's a great looking machine,
    but I don't think it's on my list...For $9K, they OUGHT to have a FOVEON
    chip inside. ;)"

    "Adam, as usual I really enjoyed this meeting. I was so happy to have the X3
    presented in a more technical lecture style. This fit really well with the
    auditorium setting, and of course the right public speakers. It's pretty
    clear that the X3 sensor is here to stay. I don't characterize it as a
    Foveon versus Canon issue. Foveon sells sensors. Canon sells cameras. Sure
    they make their own sensors, but I'm sure they'll buy X3 sensors when they
    feel the time is right. All in all, an exciting and educational evening."
    "Adam, It was a terrific meeting. The interaction between the audience and
    feedback from Jim from Canon and Dick and the others from Foveon and Sigma
    were excellent. Dick Merril's presentation was great and made the
    differences between the "old" technology (CCD and CMOS) and the potential of
    Foveon X3 abundantly clear. The Sigma X3 photos were amazing for a so-called
    only 3MP sensor. It truly deserves to be recognized as a 6-10MP sensor. If,
    or more likely, when X3 gets into the lens and camera body quality of
    Canon/Nikon type systems and gets some of the additional development from
    them and others that it deserves, it seems that it will be hard to beat!"

    I even got to look at some comparison prints done from a D60, D100, S2, and
    SD9. Guess which ones looked the best? OK, a bit baited but I was impressed
    nonetheless. BTW, Foveon did not produce the shots. It was done by a private
    photographer (Hmm... Independent lab).

    "As I left, I ended up in a conversation with Jim Rose and a few others
    about various Canon 1Ds subjects and even a few concerns about the D60 CF
    card and Microdrive problems. I also mentioned I thought the 1Ds prints in
    the non-gloss paper (Ilford) were quite soft and didn't show the camera in a
    good light. It seems that perhaps the ink may have migrated across the paper

    Note: There were no positive remarks about the Canon 1Ds that was shown.
    George Preddy, Feb 3, 2004
  15. Mike Tuthill

    Lionel Guest

    Not that it has anything to do with the excellence of their equipment...
    "also led Foveon and Sigma to limit the camera's sensitivity from ISO100
    to ISO400 (ISO800 was too noisy)"
    "The prints that were displayed of both the Canon 1Ds and the SD9 were
    quite impressive. "
    Lionel, Feb 3, 2004
  16. Mike Tuthill

    Lionel Guest

    No doubt. And you've got to wonder how long the SD10 will last, given
    the mystifying choice of staying with the 3.4MP resolution of the SD9.
    Yes, exactly. Hence the desperate 'Weird Science' attempts to claim that
    the 3.4MP SD9/10s are actually a higher resolution than they are.
    <nods> If they could just make a much higher resolution sensor (my guess
    is that they're having yield problems at fab level), & fix the colour
    problems, they'd be in the running.
    Well, I still haven't forgiven them for their Canon compatibility
    problems. It annoys the hell out of me that I had to buy a Canon zoom to
    replace an otherwise very good Sigma that proved to be incompatible with
    my 10D. When I contacted Sigma after buying the 10D, Sigma didn't want
    to know about the problem. The Sigma now lives at the back of my filing
    cabinet. :(
    It's a pity that they can't sue Preddy for defamation, given the amazing
    job he's doing of making them look bad. I were running Sigma or Foveon,
    I'd be asking my lawyers to look into the possibility of taking out a
    restraining order on him.
    Lionel, Feb 3, 2004
  17. [snip]

    George, you MUST be a shill!! The ONLY thing good about the Sigma is the
    sensor, which is excellent. Outside of that, Sigma glass nor construction
    CAN'T begin to compare to Canon and Nikon!! It doesn't matter how many times
    you post your tripe here nor anywhere else, the facts won't change.

    My one and only post to you, George. I don't have time for shills.

    Fred A. Miller, Feb 3, 2004
  18. Ahh, its nice to know the Sd10 has awful colour problems too then.
    Thanks for the warning George.
    Braindead Preddy, Feb 3, 2004
  19. Maybe not, PMA will tell. At the moment, the 10.3MP SD9 is far and away the
    best digital camera buy in history. Don't really care why.
    George Preddy, Feb 3, 2004
  20. If they had equipment that spoke for itself on quality and value, they
    wouldn't need charitable remarks.
    George Preddy, Feb 3, 2004
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