Useless Pentax Optio 43WR

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by Wayne R., Dec 19, 2008.

  1. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.

    Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    seriously...)
     
    Wayne R., Dec 19, 2008
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    Robert Coe Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    : My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    : but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    : images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    :
    : Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    : other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    : seriously...)

    What possibilities have you ruled out? Have you tried more than one battery?
    More than one card? Do all displays and warning lights work normally? I'm not
    familiar with that model; if it's an SLR, could the mirror be stuck? (Try
    locking it up before you take a picture.) Does the flash go off? The more we
    know about what you've tried, the more likely we are to blunder onto something
    for you to try that might work.

    How long was the camera on the shelf? (Days? Months? Years?)

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 19, 2008
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  3. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:17:34 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote
    (with clarity & insight):

    >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    >: My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    >: but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    >: images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    >:
    >: Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    >: other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    >: seriously...)
    >
    >What possibilities have you ruled out? Have you tried more than one battery?
    >More than one card? Do all displays and warning lights work normally? I'm not
    >familiar with that model; if it's an SLR, could the mirror be stuck? (Try
    >locking it up before you take a picture.) Does the flash go off? The more we
    >know about what you've tried, the more likely we are to blunder onto something
    >for you to try that might work.
    >
    >How long was the camera on the shelf? (Days? Months? Years?)
    >
    >Bob


    It operates exactly correctly - flash goes off, you can review good
    JPGs on the flash card, all the lights light, the zoom makes its
    sounds - truly, it acts like a lens cap is on it. It records image
    files (all black!), and displays good images put on the card. Movie
    mode works - audio only, again, like a lens cap is on it.

    It was several months ago I put it on the shelf with Lithium
    batteries. Took it down a couple of weeks ago, black images. Put it
    back up with the batteries removed, tried again today, no luck. No
    'event' occurred, just poof.

    It's just a little waterproof Pentax P&S, nothing really special, but
    it's good to not worry about water, so it's great for vacations/trips
    where you'd like to be really flexible.
     
    Wayne R., Dec 20, 2008
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  4. Wayne R.

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:12 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    : On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:17:34 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote
    : (with clarity & insight):
    :
    : >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    : >: My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    : >: but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    : >: images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    : >:
    : >: Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    : >: other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    : >: seriously...)
    : >
    : >What possibilities have you ruled out? Have you tried more than one battery?
    : >More than one card? Do all displays and warning lights work normally? I'm not
    : >familiar with that model; if it's an SLR, could the mirror be stuck? (Try
    : >locking it up before you take a picture.) Does the flash go off? The more we
    : >know about what you've tried, the more likely we are to blunder onto something
    : >for you to try that might work.
    : >
    : >How long was the camera on the shelf? (Days? Months? Years?)
    : >
    : >Bob
    :
    : It operates exactly correctly - flash goes off, you can review good
    : JPGs on the flash card, all the lights light, the zoom makes its
    : sounds - truly, it acts like a lens cap is on it. It records image
    : files (all black!), and displays good images put on the card. Movie
    : mode works - audio only, again, like a lens cap is on it.
    :
    : It was several months ago I put it on the shelf with Lithium
    : batteries. Took it down a couple of weeks ago, black images. Put it
    : back up with the batteries removed, tried again today, no luck. No
    : 'event' occurred, just poof.
    :
    : It's just a little waterproof Pentax P&S, nothing really special, but
    : it's good to not worry about water, so it's great for vacations/trips
    : where you'd like to be really flexible.

    How literally do you mean it when you say that it behaves as though the lens
    cap is on it? Does it have an LCD viewfinder, and if so, does it show
    anything? If not, maybe the lens cap *is* on it. I believe that some P&Ses
    have a front shutter that protects the sensor from exposure to, say, direct
    sunlight when the camera isn't actually in use. Maybe that shutter is jammed
    or otherwise disabled and isn't opening at all.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Dec 20, 2008
    #4

  5. > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:12 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    > : On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:17:34 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote
    > : (with clarity & insight):
    > :
    > : >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    > : >: My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    > : >: but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    > : >: images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    > : >:
    > : >: Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    > : >: other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    > : >: seriously...)
    > : >
    > : >What possibilities have you ruled out? Have you tried more than one
    > battery?
    > : >More than one card? Do all displays and warning lights work normally? I'm
    > not
    > : >familiar with that model; if it's an SLR, could the mirror be stuck? (Try
    > : >locking it up before you take a picture.) Does the flash go off? The more
    > we
    > : >know about what you've tried, the more likely we are to blunder onto
    > something
    > : >for you to try that might work.
    > : >
    > : >How long was the camera on the shelf? (Days? Months? Years?)
    > : >
    > : >Bob
    > :
    > : It operates exactly correctly - flash goes off, you can review good
    > : JPGs on the flash card, all the lights light, the zoom makes its
    > : sounds - truly, it acts like a lens cap is on it. It records image
    > : files (all black!), and displays good images put on the card. Movie
    > : mode works - audio only, again, like a lens cap is on it.
    > :
    > : It was several months ago I put it on the shelf with Lithium
    > : batteries. Took it down a couple of weeks ago, black images. Put it
    > : back up with the batteries removed, tried again today, no luck. No
    > : 'event' occurred, just poof.
    > :
    > : It's just a little waterproof Pentax P&S, nothing really special, but
    > : it's good to not worry about water, so it's great for vacations/trips
    > : where you'd like to be really flexible.
    >
    > How literally do you mean it when you say that it behaves as though the lens
    > cap is on it? Does it have an LCD viewfinder, and if so, does it show
    > anything? If not, maybe the lens cap *is* on it. I believe that some P&Ses
    > have a front shutter that protects the sensor from exposure to, say, direct
    > sunlight when the camera isn't actually in use. Maybe that shutter is jammed
    > or otherwise disabled and isn't opening at all.
    >
    > Bob



    You probably turned off the display, look through the menus to turn it on.
     
    The Royal Spam, Dec 20, 2008
    #5
  6. Wayne R.

    Dudley Hanks Guest

    "The Royal Spam" <> wrote in message
    news:C5729349.138B8%...
    >
    >
    >> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:23:12 -0500, Wayne R. <>
    >> wrote:
    >> : On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:17:34 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote
    >> : (with clarity & insight):
    >> :
    >> : >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <>
    >> wrote:
    >> : >: My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the
    >> shelf,
    >> : >: but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except
    >> no
    >> : >: images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    >> : >:
    >> : >: Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with
    >> it
    >> : >: other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    >> : >: seriously...)
    >> : >
    >> : >What possibilities have you ruled out? Have you tried more than one
    >> battery?
    >> : >More than one card? Do all displays and warning lights work normally?
    >> I'm
    >> not
    >> : >familiar with that model; if it's an SLR, could the mirror be stuck?
    >> (Try
    >> : >locking it up before you take a picture.) Does the flash go off? The
    >> more
    >> we
    >> : >know about what you've tried, the more likely we are to blunder onto
    >> something
    >> : >for you to try that might work.
    >> : >
    >> : >How long was the camera on the shelf? (Days? Months? Years?)
    >> : >
    >> : >Bob
    >> :
    >> : It operates exactly correctly - flash goes off, you can review good
    >> : JPGs on the flash card, all the lights light, the zoom makes its
    >> : sounds - truly, it acts like a lens cap is on it. It records image
    >> : files (all black!), and displays good images put on the card. Movie
    >> : mode works - audio only, again, like a lens cap is on it.
    >> :
    >> : It was several months ago I put it on the shelf with Lithium
    >> : batteries. Took it down a couple of weeks ago, black images. Put it
    >> : back up with the batteries removed, tried again today, no luck. No
    >> : 'event' occurred, just poof.
    >> :
    >> : It's just a little waterproof Pentax P&S, nothing really special, but
    >> : it's good to not worry about water, so it's great for vacations/trips
    >> : where you'd like to be really flexible.
    >>
    >> How literally do you mean it when you say that it behaves as though the
    >> lens
    >> cap is on it? Does it have an LCD viewfinder, and if so, does it show
    >> anything? If not, maybe the lens cap *is* on it. I believe that some
    >> P&Ses
    >> have a front shutter that protects the sensor from exposure to, say,
    >> direct
    >> sunlight when the camera isn't actually in use. Maybe that shutter is
    >> jammed
    >> or otherwise disabled and isn't opening at all.
    >>
    >> Bob

    >
    >
    > You probably turned off the display, look through the menus to turn it on.
    >


    Sounds exactly like my wife's old Canon Powershot A70...

    I figured the sensor died. It was cheaper to get a newer, better, camera,
    so I never took it in to the shop for repairs. It is still "on the shelf"
    in case I hear of a likely (and cheap) fix for it.

    Take Care,
    Dudley
     
    Dudley Hanks, Dec 20, 2008
    #6
  7. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:59:06 -0800, Paul Furman <>
    wrote (with clarity & insight):

    >Bang it hard, does that help?
    >
    >:)


    Repair procedure #1 executed, no improvement.

    >
    >Does it give varying shutter & aperture readings? Do the black files
    >have exif data showing these readings? Are the files zero size or is
    >there anything at all on them if you brighten them up?


    The EXIF data (good idea!) shows the settings, 1/60 @ f2.8. And the
    histogram on the camera screen shows just black (but also varies a
    tiny amount - whether pointed at a really dark scene or right at a
    bright light). Fiddling with the resulting image looks uniformly
    blank, even when brightened up to a light grey.

    The histogram in the PC is just black, pegged to the left.
     
    Wayne R., Dec 20, 2008
    #7
  8. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:47:59 -0500, Robert Coe <> wrote
    (with clarity & insight):

    >How literally do you mean it when you say that it behaves as though the lens
    >cap is on it? Does it have an LCD viewfinder, and if so, does it show
    >anything? If not, maybe the lens cap *is* on it. I believe that some P&Ses
    >have a front shutter that protects the sensor from exposure to, say, direct
    >sunlight when the camera isn't actually in use. Maybe that shutter is jammed
    >or otherwise disabled and isn't opening at all.
    >
    >Bob


    This is a waterproof P&S, and has no external lens cover, and I doubt
    one exists internally, but I don't know, but I can see elements moving
    in there when I operate the zoom. And I mean it with 100% accuracy, it
    acts like the cap's on. The LCD lights up & displays images off the
    card (that I put on there to test things), and all the menus, etc.,
    are displayed as normal.
     
    Wayne R., Dec 20, 2008
    #8
  9. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:19:21 +0000, The Royal Spam
    <> wrote (with clarity & insight):

    >You probably turned off the display, look through the menus to turn it on.


    Nope, the display's on, I see the normal overlays, but with no image.
    And of course, the images on the card are all black too.
     
    Wayne R., Dec 20, 2008
    #9
  10. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:52:45 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
    <> wrote (with clarity & insight):

    >Sounds exactly like my wife's old Canon Powershot A70...
    >
    >I figured the sensor died. It was cheaper to get a newer, better, camera,
    >so I never took it in to the shop for repairs. It is still "on the shelf"
    >in case I hear of a likely (and cheap) fix for it.
    >
    >Take Care,
    >Dudley
    >

    Yeah, I think so too. It's painful to think things like this aren't
    fixable, at least not economically. Especially when it still looks
    pristine, etc. Dang, and shame on me for not having used the bejeebers
    out of the thing when it was healthy.

    Thanks to all!
     
    Wayne R., Dec 20, 2008
    #10
  11. Wayne R.

    Paul Furman Guest

    Wayne R. wrote:
    > On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:59:06 -0800, Paul Furman <>
    > wrote (with clarity & insight):
    >
    >> Bang it hard, does that help?
    >>
    >> :)

    >
    > Repair procedure #1 executed, no improvement.
    >
    >> Does it give varying shutter & aperture readings? Do the black files
    >> have exif data showing these readings? Are the files zero size or is
    >> there anything at all on them if you brighten them up?

    >
    > The EXIF data (good idea!) shows the settings, 1/60 @ f2.8. And the
    > histogram on the camera screen shows just black (but also varies a
    > tiny amount - whether pointed at a really dark scene or right at a
    > bright light). Fiddling with the resulting image looks uniformly
    > blank, even when brightened up to a light grey.
    >
    > The histogram in the PC is just black, pegged to the left.


    Sounds hopeless but you never know...

    Does it autofocus? I think that requires the sensor unless this model
    has a separate sensor for that. Just point at near then far and listen
    for motors.

    And I'm guessing you never used the LCD to shoot with, just looked
    through an optical viewfinder or else you would have noticed that or
    commented on it.

    --
    Paul Furman
    www.edgehill.net
    www.baynatives.com

    all google groups messages filtered due to spam
     
    Paul Furman, Dec 21, 2008
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  12. Wayne R.

    Yuki Guest

    On Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:52:45 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
    <> wrote:


    >I figured the sensor died. It was cheaper to get a newer, better, camera,
    >so I never took it in to the shop for repairs. It is still "on the shelf"
    >in case I hear of a likely (and cheap) fix for it.
    >


    Then today is your lucky day...

    There is a know problem with sensors in some cameras and Canon is
    repairing/replacing them even well out of warranty.

    http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/c...goryid=221&modelid=8288&keycode=2112&id=29819
     
    Yuki, Dec 21, 2008
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  13. Wayne R.

    Yuki Guest

    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:

    >My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    >but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    >images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    >
    >Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    >other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    >seriously...)


    http://www.imaging-resource.com/badccds.html

    Your model is affected.
     
    Yuki, Dec 21, 2008
    #13
  14. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    On Sun, 21 Dec 2008 04:04:10 +0100, Yuki <> wrote
    (with clarity & insight):

    >On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <> wrote:
    >
    >>My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    >>but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    >>images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    >>
    >>Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    >>other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    >>seriously...)

    >
    >http://www.imaging-resource.com/badccds.html
    >
    >Your model is affected.


    Nice catch!

    However, the page is about CCDs but the documentation specific to my
    camera is about LCDs. My display is working fine (all the menus show
    correctly), it's the CCD that's dead.

    In any case, I'll contact Pentax and see what they say. Thanks!
     
    Wayne R., Dec 21, 2008
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  15. Wayne R.

    Wayne R. Guest

    I finally sent this camera to Pentax. Just got it back today with no
    charges - not a bad sensor, but a "bad shutter block" - whatever that
    is.

    All good now - and I never really thought repair would be reasonable.
    Glad I was wrong...


    On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:46:27 -0500, Wayne R. <>
    wrote (with clarity & insight):

    >My old Pentax Optio 43WR was working fine when I put it on the shelf,
    >but when I picked it up again, it still worked in every way except no
    >images come off the sensor. Like there's a lens cap on it.
    >
    >Any explanation beyond 'shit happens'? Any idea what I can do with it
    >other than chuck it? (I know I'm asking for wiseguy answers, but
    >seriously...)
     
    Wayne R., Feb 24, 2009
    #15
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