video grabber

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Stewart, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    I have a new computer and wish to capture my films from my camcorder either
    with a firewire card (have one) or with a usb video grabber.
    I have pinnacle software.
    Does anyone know if the firewire will enable pinnacle to input film from the
    camcorder; it has dvi out connection to firewire or would I need the usb
    grabber.
    Thank you
     
    Stewart, Sep 23, 2012
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  2. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    My camcorder is a Samsung Digital Cam with a DV interface and also an AV
    socket.
    My tapes are mainly Sony premium mini DV
    Thank you

    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    Is it 8 mm or 35 mm film?
     
    Stewart, Sep 23, 2012
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  3. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    Thank you; I have not installed firewire yet as I was concerned lest I lose
    the manufacturer's warranty but "Comet" tells me an upgrade like this will
    be OK as long as it does not "fry" anything when I install it.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    So your mention of film was a red herring.

    What I suggest is that you plug in your camera to the firewire socket,
    check to see that a new device appears as "camera", and then start
    the Pinnacle software and check if that shows your camera as an
    input source.

    As you failed to mention which Pinnacle software you have,

    <http://www.pinnaclesys.COM/PublicSite/us/Products/Consumer+Products/ProductsAZ.htm>

    it is difficult to know for certain if what you have does support Firewire
    input.

    And remember, video killed the radio star.
     
    Stewart, Sep 23, 2012
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  4. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    Thank you; I cut the seal for the new computer (warranty threats) and found
    that the socket for the firewire card is different from that of my old
    computer so rather than risk damage I am not going that route unless I buy a
    new compatible firewire card.
    Meantime I intend to buy a USB Video Grabber and try that; here again most
    of those on sale include software cables etc but as I have these I am trying
    just to get the cadaptor. I am sure my Pinnacle software will recognise it.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    Oh I see, you had not installed the card in the machine.

    Just exercise the usual care when doing this -- earth yourself
    before touching the card. Also ensure that the power to the
    PC is switched OFF at the mains socket before opening up
    the computer case. Provided that there is an on/off switch
    at the wall and that is in the off position, you can leave
    the plug in and this will keep the computer itself earthed.

    Just be careful when you insert the card in the PCI slot
    and touch the screwdriver to the bare metal of the case
    to earth it before use.

    No doubt all of the above you know already about how
    to prevent any static which is what kills electronic
    components.

    And Firewire should, as far as I recall, provide better
    efficiency at data transfer compared to USB 1.0 or even
    USB 2.0.
     
    Stewart, Sep 25, 2012
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  5. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    My new computer is an Asus with a P8H61-MPRO/CM6630/DP_MB motherboard. This
    has a PCI-e slot and room for additional cards. There does not appear to be
    any firewire connection on the computer.
    I have now ordered a USB Video Grabber so will try that out before doing
    anything else, the computer had plenty USB2 and USB3 connections.
    Thanks again for all your help.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    Obviously you must not try to insert a card with one type of
    interface connection into a socket for a different interface type.

    I would have thought that your firewire card is a PCI card --
    please check the installation instructions (you should have
    included the make and model in your previous postings).

    I would be very surprised if your new computer does not have
    a motherboard with at least one free PCI socket.

    The four types of socket connector which one might find on a
    PC motherboard are

    1) ISA -- these disappeared from new motherboards after about 1998

    2) AGP -- these are for graphics cards and disappeared from new
    motherboards after about 2008. They came in three different
    versions v1, v2 and v3. v3 was not backwards compatible with
    v1 and v2 because the voltage was different.

    3) PCI -- these are the standard sockets still used by the majority
    of add on cards

    4) PCI-e (express) -- these are the latest socket types which started
    appearting around 2007 and replaced the AGP socket for graphics cards.
    More and more add on cards are now changing from PCI to PCI-e because
    the interface has a higher speed rating.

    PCI-e slots can have different speed ratings and the current (?)
    fastest 16x is the one to be used for graphics cards.

    The general trend with the upgrade of USB to a usable speed of 480 Mbps
    with USB 2.0 has been for PCI cards to tend to be replaced with USB
    devices for user convenience, viz no need to open up machine, and can be
    moved from one machine to another.

    I am a little suprised that your new computer does not actually
    have firewire as an onboard feature of the motherboard, as most
    decent (not barebone economny) general consumer motherboards have
    tended to include thissince about 2007 or so.
     
    Stewart, Sep 25, 2012
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  6. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    Thanks again. I shall try the usb video grabber I have ordered and if that
    is not fast enough or adequate then I shall buy the firewire PCIe card.
    When I looked in the computer I did find that it is a wee bit cramped for
    space but room for one or maybe two cards however there are no "screw"
    points to secure the cards, they just have to depend on the tightness of the
    fit.
    The usb video grabber should be here at the end of the week so I shall see
    how I get on.
    I do not do much filming now but want to transfer all the film I have to the
    computer.

    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    That is a good quality motherboard, BUT it is a micro board (mATX)
    and not a full size motherboard, and hence only has PCI express slots
    and no on board Firewire.

    If possible you should be looking for a USB v3.0 video grabber, but
    (and I hope I am in error) video grabbers with USB v3.0 have yet to
    appear on the market. As far as I am aware only external hard disks
    and memory sticks are currently in abundance with v3.0 interfaces.

    Perhaps you should consider purchasing a Firewire PCIe card
    since these are available from a number of manufacturers at
    the present time, if you want the best data transfer performace
    from your camera to PC?
     
    Stewart, Sep 26, 2012
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  7. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    I am sorry; part of my problem is that I am almost 80 and am not nearly so
    sharp as I once was and in fact I regularly get names confused or mixed up
    even in my daily conversations.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    Puhleeeeeeeeaze -- a video camera does not contain film and one
    does not in fact "film" with a video camera.

    I thought that point had been made clear at the beginning of this thread.
     
    Stewart, Sep 27, 2012
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  8. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    Another morning and I realised I am not quite senile yet.
    I do mean to copy my films and input them to my computer.
    I have 8mm and double 8mm film from around 1955 and it is my intention to
    project them onto a white screen, possible the backing screen for my scanner
    and then film them with the digital camcorder; from it I shall then transfer
    the video image to the computer.
    I may have misled with my wording but it is film that I have., sorry.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    Puhleeeeeeeeaze -- a video camera does not contain film and one
    does not in fact "film" with a video camera.

    I thought that point had been made clear at the beginning of this thread.
     
    Stewart, Sep 28, 2012
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  9. Stewart

    Stewart Guest

    Thanks again, lets end it there. I now have the usb video grabber so will
    see how that gets on. As I said if it is not much use then I shall buy a
    firewire card and just risk losing the warranty if anything goes wrong.



    "J G Miller" wrote in message
    No, what your problem is, you do not explain from the beginning
    what it is that you want to do and the specifications of your hardware,
    which is why this thread keeps getting longer and longer that what it
    should be.
    Well I did ask back in my first reply if it was 8 mm or 35 mm
    and you replied that it was a video camera.
    That is an ingenious method but will not produce the best
    quality result.
    ^^^^

    Video record, not film!!! ;) ;)
    My understanding of USB capture devices are that they capture
    analog video so if you have a digital video recorder, you should
    not be playing back as analog through a USB capture device to
    then re-encode as digital on your PC.

    In each stage of the process you have suggested you will use,
    you are going to lose some image quality. As encoding analog
    video is rather CPU intensive, you really should be using a
    firewire card to keep the video in digital format when
    transferring from the DV camera to the PC as previously
    suggested.

    Here is an article which you really should read --

    <http://www.pcmag.COM/article2/0,2817,1618829,00.asp>


    Another possible alternative is to pay a company lots of
    money to do the transfer from film to digital, even into
    DVD format.
     
    Stewart, Sep 28, 2012
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