Video recorder question

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Hrvoje, Dec 22, 2003.

  1. Hrvoje

    Hrvoje Guest

    Hi,
    I had a old (like 8 years) Philips VCR which had a 'tracking' function...it
    could detect a tape position when you inserted it. I mean you didn't have to
    rewind and reset the counter, you just had to tell it what lenght the tape
    is, and it would show you the position. Like it's 1:23 from the beginning.

    This might be stupid to you, but my sales people can't find models that have
    that. My new 6 head JVC doesn't have it, so I want to change to the one it
    has but I don't know how this function is called so they could find it
    easier.

    I thought every model has that these days.

    thanks
     
    Hrvoje, Dec 22, 2003
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  2. Hrvoje

    Gandalf Guest

    Maybe JVC call it something different.

    I have a JVC HM-HDS4 (VCR with HDD). On the tape side it has "VCR
    Navigation" ie it will remember and index up to 2000 programmes on up to 680
    cassettes.

    May not have a full manual index facility that you may be seeking - but this
    is not necessary as you would normally use the HDD for this with its better
    edit facilities.

    Download the pdf manual for a full check out. Same goes if you want to
    research any other JVC VCR option.

    G
     
    Gandalf, Dec 22, 2003
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  3. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    AFAIK the "normal" domestic VCR hasn't got this facility (nor ever has).
    My Panasonic NV-HS960B does have this facility (as well as other
    facilities) *providing* that you label the tape first (if you want to be
    able to insert past the recorded portion you also have to strip the
    tape). It also permits tape numbering/titling as well as titling
    individual recorded portions (with a menu system to
    auto-fast-forward/backward to selected menued recordings.

    It's an S-VHS VCR (but will also work as VHS and ES-VHS). It also works
    remarkably well as S-VHS using good-qualitly VHS tapes with the "S" hole
    drilled in the cassette (I've made a little jig to do this). The quality
    with
    S-VHS is virtually as almost as good as with DVD.

    In your particular application, I should think that the "menued-seek"
    facility would be very useful. The menu, BTW, comes up every time you
    insert a tape, but can be recalled at any time using the remote's Menu
    button.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  4. Hrvoje

    Hrvoje Guest

    As I understand you're telling me that normal vcrs don't have this. I'm
    telling you that my Philips (8 year old model) has!!! I couldn't convince my
    friends even until I showed them. I never knew it's sucha exotic feature.
     
    Hrvoje, Dec 22, 2003
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  5. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Sorry, that should have read "stripe".
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  6. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    It's not an "exotic" feature - but something you have to pay extra for
    (and specifically request - see below). Models with this feature are not
    *normally* sold in the High Street simply because the public aren't
    prepared to pay the extra for the feature. You might, however, get a VCR
    with the feature from a specialist retailer.

    It's like S-VHS, ask in your local Dixons or Curries for an S-VHS VCR
    and they'll look blank at you. I got my Panny S-VHS VCR from a local
    specialist TV/VCR shop and the owner was prepared to get in a bunch of
    brochures/specs specially for me and then order my selection. He even
    offered to take it back (providing it was carefully re-packed) within a
    week if it didn't meet my particular requirements (and if necessary
    order another make/model).
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  7. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    Dont worry, no one else seems to have grasped what you are talking
    about. They seem to think you are talking about a cunning indexing
    function or something like that, when all you want to know is how much
    tape is left. My dad has had a VCR that does what you want, not sure if
    his current one does though.

    For everyone else: The VCR simply has to look at how fast the two hubs
    are rotating when at normal play speed and using knowledge of the length
    of the tape (which you tell it) it can work out how far through the tape
    you are and therefore how much tape you have left.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 22, 2003
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  8. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    My dad had an Akai VCR that did this.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 22, 2003
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  9. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    Just checked my Panasonic VCR and that certainly does it. It is a
    NV-HS820
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 22, 2003
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  10. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    I suspect that you don't Keith. From the context and particular
    application (use) as described by the OP, if you insert a part wound
    tape I'd suggest that no "high-street" VCR would indicate the tape
    (time) reading relative to the start of the tape - or for that matter
    from the end-of-tape.

    Since all VCRs indicate the time relative to the tape position at the
    time of insertion, the OP wouldn't have been asking the question if it
    had been otherwise.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  11. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    Hardly a domestic high-street VCR - especially at a discounted price of
    £289 (before it was discontinued).

    In fact the HS820 was often sold as part of bundled "lecture-room"
    packages.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  12. Hrvoje

    Tony Morgan Guest

    So you're suggesting that with your dad's VCR, if a half-wound tape were
    inserted, it would then read the position on tape (relative to either
    the beginning of the tape or relative to the end-of-tape) ?

    All the domestic high-street VCRs I've seen reset to zero when a tape is
    inserted - irrespective of how much is already wound-on.
     
    Tony Morgan, Dec 22, 2003
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  13. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    When I got it most places (high street and online) were selling it at
    around £200, I paid £189 for it.
    Strange, it was available in Dixons, Comet, www.unbeatable.co.uk,
    www.empiredirect.co.uk etc etc etc and none of those places suggested it
    was high end in any way at all. In fact it appeared to be the cheapest
    S-VHS model Panasonic did at the time.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 23, 2003
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  14. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    I am not suggesting anything. I am saying what it, and my current vcr,
    could do. You bung a half wound tape into it, press play and then hit
    display a couple of times to cycle the tape counter to "remaining" it
    takes a couple of seconds while it monitors the hub speed and then pops
    up the remaining time on the display.
    Tony, I tried it last night to confirm that my VCR does this, and I know
    for sure that my Dad's old one did it as well. The elapsed counter
    resets to zero, but you just hit the display button a couple of times
    and get the remaining time - calculated from the relative hub speeds.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 23, 2003
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  15. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    Sorry, you are wrong.
    Read his post again, he has owned a VCR that could do it. I own a VCR
    that can do it, my dad has owned a VCR that can do it. I have to say
    that I am also surprised that other VCRs don't do it.
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 23, 2003
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  16. My Misubishi tells me how much tape is left when I bung in a half used
    tape...
    .... and only resets the counter with a specific button press (on VCR
    and remote) and via the remote I can set the counter to whatever
    number I like.

    The don't make 'em like that any more. :-(
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 23, 2003
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  17. He may not be now, the currently available range of VHS machines are
    utter c**p. I've just had to pay £2k for a half decent one and it's
    not as versatile as my old (but failing) domestic machine.
    You can add me to that list.
    You've not been shopping for a new VHS machine recently. Universal
    rubbish. :-(
     
    Malcolm Knight, Dec 23, 2003
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  18. Hrvoje

    Hrvoje Guest

    Finally. Yes Keith you are correct. And no one here belived me. They laughed
    and said "yeah right". And it seams sooo strange to me that todays VCR don't
    have that, I think should be cheap, function. I did find one another VCR
    though, of my friends, it's an old Philips too. MAybe it's their patent.
    Which models do you guys have with that function?

    And if they don't want to use it cuz they think it's not precise, DUH, it
    is. It gives you at least 5 minutes precision, which is enough for a $200 US
    model.

    Hey, do you know what would manufactures call this function?
     
    Hrvoje, Dec 23, 2003
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  19. Hrvoje

    Keith Laws Guest

    Well, they have to make them cheap as chips now, they have only a
    limited life left before DVD-R becomes the norm
    --
    Keith Laws

    What's my solution?

    .....NOISE POLLUTION
     
    Keith Laws, Dec 23, 2003
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  20. Hrvoje

    Hrvoje Guest

    Oh hell, cheap as mashed potatoes :))))
     
    Hrvoje, Dec 23, 2003
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