Videoguys mid-range NLE shootout

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Gary Bettan, Aug 18, 2005.

  1. Gary Bettan

    Gary Bettan Guest

    Affordable Intermediate Video Editing Solutions that enable you to
    produce much better videos.

    Over the past few months we’ve been putting together a product line-up
    of video editing bundles that combine full featured NLE software with
    analog/DV conversion hardware at a great price. We’ve worked with our
    vendors to make sure that each of these bundles offers you a
    tremendous value while still keeping the prices as close to $500 as
    possible. This article reviews four of these bundles:

    1. XDV4AV - Avid Xpress DV w/ ADS Pyro AV Link
    2. API-757 - Sony Vegas 6+DVD Production Suite w/ ADS Pyro AV Link
    3. Pinnacle Liquid Edition 6 w/ Pinnacle MovieBox Deluxe
    4. Canopus Edius Pro 3 w/ Canopus ACEDVio

    I hope you find this article very informative. Not only do we review
    each of these bundles, we go into several of the most important
    features that separate the software found in these bundles from the
    cheap video editing titles you can find at your local computer or
    electronics superstore. If you’re looking to get more serious about
    video editing, this article is a MUST READ for you. Click here to read
    this great article http://www.videoguys.com/Shootout2005.html

    Gary

    The Electronic Mailbox http://www.videoguys.com
    The Desk Top Video Editing & Production Experts
    800 323-2325 or Free DTV tech advice (516) 759-1615

    All DTV purchases include our 30 day customer assurance program
    and FREE tech support
     
    Gary Bettan, Aug 18, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    Let me guess; you guys selling this stuff found some very
    compelling reasons to buy the more expensive stuff, right?

    I like my commercialism right out front, not pretending to be
    friendly advice.

    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 19, 2005
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    RS Guest

    There are a fair number of people using, or considering using packages
    like these, getting a third party overview of the products is rather
    helpfull I think. You are quite free to write your own article about how
    to do all the stuff these apps can do but for less money. In fact, that
    would probably be a rather helpfull article as well.
     
    RS, Aug 19, 2005
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  4. ....and presumably they aren't Apple resellers, as there's no Final Cut
    Express. It isn't an article, it's a clip from their catalogue.
     
    bernard.newnham, Aug 19, 2005
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  5. Ken and Bernard. What morons you are. If you purchased everything according
    to what a friend says, then you must have duplicates of all the things found
    in those friends houses, or you are both just a couple of liars.

    I'm sure the pizza you eat is only the pizza recommended by a friend. The
    car you drive was reviewed by some magazine, which I am absolutely sure did
    not take advertising money from the car maker. The milk you drink was
    recommended by a very good mother who lives near you. God forbid you should
    take the dairy farmers word his milk is good!

    The furniture you sit on at home and the office was most assuredly not
    purchased by visiting [big gasp] A FURNITURE SHOWROOM!!! Surely you had the
    balls to buy only the furniture recommended by a friend and you had never
    ever seen an advertisement for the place of purchase or the furniture brand
    name!!!

    You guys are so full of shit! Gary Bettan at purchases all those products
    and tries them out one-by-one. If there is anyone on this planet who knows
    about editing hardware and software it is Gary Bettan. My guess he know way
    more about the stuff than either of you ever will.

    I too am a reseller of editing gear. I edit everyday. I test every product
    we sell and know what is better in one product than another. I can give an
    honest opinion on each one which is not weighed according to what I want to
    sell the most of.

    My guess is that you guys can't afford most of those things and need to put
    someone else down to make yourselves feel better somehow. Sure, you can say
    you can afford anything that is out there, but in truth I think you are both
    a couple of ner'do wells who are one paycheck from being homeless.

    You can scramble to make yourselves look better, but like your attitude
    toward Gary for his articles, I won't believe any of it. After all, you are
    just a couple of guys sitting comfortably out of the way hiding behind the
    safety of the internet puffing out your chests and spouting nasty comments.

    If you are truly editors how do you ever get business? After all, if you say
    you are good then it is most assuredly because you are just trying to sell
    yourself to the customer - God forbid! You should be recommended by someone
    or reviewed by an outside party before anyone should hire you to do editing
    for them!! You are the product, aren't you?????

    My recommendation is to go f*ck yourselves.
     
    Innocent Bystander, Aug 20, 2005
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  6. Ken and Bernard. What morons you are. If you purchased everything according
    to what a friend says, then you must have duplicates of all the things found
    in those friends houses, or you are both just a couple of liars.

    I'm sure the pizza you eat is only the pizza recommended by a friend. The
    car you drive was reviewed by some magazine, which I am absolutely sure did
    not take advertising money from the car maker. The milk you drink was
    recommended by a very good mother who lives near you. God forbid you should
    take the dairy farmers word his milk is good!

    The furniture you sit on at home and the office was most assuredly not
    purchased by visiting [big gasp] A FURNITURE SHOWROOM!!! Surely you had the
    balls to buy only the furniture recommended by a friend and you had never
    ever seen an advertisement for the place of purchase or the furniture brand
    name!!!

    You guys are so full of shit! Gary Bettan at purchases all those products
    and tries them out one-by-one. If there is anyone on this planet who knows
    about editing hardware and software it is Gary Bettan. My guess he know way
    more about the stuff than either of you ever will.

    I too am a reseller of editing gear. I edit everyday. I test every product
    we sell and know what is better in one product than another. I can give an
    honest opinion on each one which is not weighed according to what I want to
    sell the most of.

    My guess is that you guys can't afford most of those things and need to put
    someone else down to make yourselves feel better somehow. Sure, you can say
    you can afford anything that is out there, but in truth I think you are both
    a couple of ner'do wells who are one paycheck from being homeless.

    You can scramble to make yourselves look better, but like your attitude
    toward Gary for his articles, I won't believe any of it. After all, you are
    just a couple of guys sitting comfortably out of the way hiding behind the
    safety of the internet puffing out your chests and spouting nasty comments.

    If you are truly editors how do you ever get business? After all, if you say
    you are good then it is most assuredly because you are just trying to sell
    yourself to the customer - God forbid! You should be recommended by someone
    or reviewed by an outside party before anyone should hire you to do editing
    for them!! You are the product, aren't you?????

    My recommendation is to go f*ck yourselves.
     
    Innocent Bystander, Aug 20, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    Ah, birds of a feather, do you post thinly disguised commercial
    announcements all the time too?
    And your "Truth" is based on what? Certainly not the facts, so what are
    your evaluations of Editing product based on? You have demonstrated
    you don't need to know the factual situation before you can arrive at
    your own version of "truth". So what drives your evaluations; Profit
    margin's perhaps?
    Pointing out that a guy out to make a sale, isn't an unbiased observer,
    is not a major accomplishment, nor is it a "nasty comment"

    Where do I claim to be employed as an Editor? Or Employed
    at all? Actually I retired at 45 over 12 years ago.
    Now what could it be about my short little post that could
    engender such a response? Perhaps you see the "Truth"
    more clearly than I thought, you just don't like it.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 20, 2005
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  8. Yes, amazing - you write a couple of lines, and get such a vehement
    result. Personally, I spent several years testing editing systems for
    the DigiLab at BBC Television. Before that I spent many years making
    promos for the same organisation. I can tell the difference between an
    ad for a company and a dispassionate review.
     
    bernard.newnham, Aug 21, 2005
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    Gary Bettan Guest

    To answer a few of your questions.

    1) Yes, the purpose of the article is to point out that ther are
    affordable upgrade solutions for video editing. At around $500 each,
    these bundles include not just an advanced NLE, but hardware to
    capture your older analog footage. Another benefit of these encoders
    is you can oiutput back to VHS or just monitor your editing on a TV
    screen.

    2) Yes, we sell the products reviewed. heck, 3 of these bundles didn't
    even exist until we worked with our vendors to make them. The article
    (and all the articles found on the Videoguys website) are there for
    you to read - for FREE. We have some fantasitc artilces on opitmizing
    your computer for video editing and making sure you have the right
    specs to run the software/hardware we sell. Youa re under no
    obligation to buy any of the prodcuts we review - if you do decide to
    buy them we hope you buy from us ;-)

    3) If you have a Mac, then you have iMovie and the next logical step
    up is Final Cut Express. The Pyro AV Link converter box included in
    two of these bundles will also work with Mac based NLEs, as will the
    Canopus & DataVideo line of AV/DV converters.

    4) When looking to purchase NLE gear, you should get information from
    as many reliable sources as possibel. Check outt user groups and
    communities. Read the reviews from the various magazines. Talk to
    other users/ friends. The Videoguys blog
    http://www.videoguys.com/blog/ is loaded with links to articles and
    reviews and tech tips all over the web. Type in the name of the
    prodcut you are interested into the blog search and you'll be well on
    your way.

    5) When you do buy, buy from a company that's going to offer you
    support and customer service. We offer free tech support on all our
    videoe diting gear. And we offer a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. If
    you buy NLE xyz and decide you would rather get NYE 123, just call our
    custoemr service dept to work out the exchange.

    6) At the end of thte article we placed a link where you can request
    trial versions of all 4 software titles reviewed. We have contacted
    our vendors and we have most of the trial disks in house. (we are
    still waiting on one vendor).
    http://www.videoguys.com/Shootout2005.html

    Gary
    The Electronic Mailbox http://www.videoguys.com
    The Desk Top Video Editing & Production Experts
    800 323-2325 or Free DTV tech advice (516) 759-1615

    All DTV purchases include our 30 day customer assurance program
    and FREE tech support
     
    Gary Bettan, Aug 21, 2005
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  10. Hi Gary

    I didn't mean to be personally unkind to you as suggested by the rather
    loopy Innocent Bystander. It's just that you didn't have any winners or
    losers.
    Magazine "shootouts", like in the westerns, always have winners - gold
    awards, percentages or whatever - to recommend their best buys, and
    this is what I expected when I went to your site. I guess as you sell
    all the stuff you can't do that, just point out the differences.
    Perhaps you should call it something else so as not to disappoint.

    cheers

    B

    www.tech-ops.co.uk
     
    bernard.newnham, Aug 21, 2005
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    Alpha Guest


    This is what Ken meant. All of the articles and reviews fail to mention
    problems or limitations.

    However, Electronic Music Box is excellent. We bought a Canopus DV Storm 2
    product with Edius 2.5 and could not be happier because it fit our needs and
    equipment budget. I also did *extensive* Google research re strengths and
    weaknesses, compared to say Matrox or Pinnacle Liquid. This external
    analysis is essential. How many catalogs do you know of that say 'don't buy
    this product we carry because the drivers are flakey'? Amazon has the
    interesting concept of leaving unedited reviews so the individual can
    perform at least a minimal compartive analysis (you have to watch for small
    companies planting 'reviews' however). Most other sites are not so bold.
     
    Alpha, Aug 22, 2005
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    Gary Bettan Guest

    I didn't mean to be personally unkind to you as suggested by the rather
    A very fair point. In hindsight its more of a round-up than shootout.
    I'll keep that in mind the next time I name an article.

    I would like to add the following:

    All four of the software titles reviews in the article are excellent.
    I tried to point out specific strengths of each one, and the tools
    that I think make each one special.

    The choice actually comes down more to personal preference and style
    and key "must have" features. That's why we put together the trial
    version offer at the end of the article. It allows you to be the final
    judge of which title is best for you.

    I use all 4. Bounce back and forth between them. Sometimes I pick a
    particular NLE because the project calls for the tools it does best.
    Other times I just pick the NLE that has had the latest update, as my
    way of real-world testing it. Still other times I'll pick a particular
    NLE becasue we are getting a lot of calls about it, or I see users
    asking the same questions about it on a forum.

    Gary


    Videoguys.com http://www.videoguys.com
    The Digital Video Editing & DVD Production Experts
    800 323-2325 or Free DTV tech advice (516) 759-1615

    All DTV purchases include our 30 day customer assurance program
    and FREE tech support
     
    Gary Bettan, Aug 22, 2005
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  13. And, just like Gary says: do your research on user-forums/webpages etc,
    don't rely only on them.

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Aug 22, 2005
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    RS Guest

    Ultimatly, I think that most of us, while not anticipating buying
    editing gear based strickly on one writeup from a vendor, would, at the
    end of the day, say we found usefull information in that writeup and
    included it in an overall search of product plusses and minuses.

    Perhaps people are getting picky here because they used the phrase
    'Shootout', but I'm happy to overlook that as being rather unimportant.
    Had they labled the article "A basic feature overview comparision",
    perhaps it would have satisfied the accuracy police. However, it would
    have failed marketing 101.
     
    RS, Aug 22, 2005
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    Ken Maltby Guest

    Well, the same could be said for most "Infomercials". They were
    once rare on TV, I guess we'll just have to get used to them in the
    newsgroups now. I have as much appreciation as the next guy, for
    any useful information and have spent time pouring over catalogs, as
    well. Even drooling over Heathkit's as a kid. But I don't know if
    this is a trend I would want to encourage.

    Luck;
    Ken
     
    Ken Maltby, Aug 22, 2005
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    RS Guest

    At least they are less intrusive and more topical than the regularly
    appearing 'free ipod' comeon's. We may have a strict constructionists
    defination of spam, but hey, when the author sticks around to politely
    answer the critics, at least its not a step backwards.
     
    RS, Aug 22, 2005
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    Steve King Guest

    I prefer on topic product discussions from purveyors and manufacturers 10 to
    1 over OT political posts. Just me.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Aug 22, 2005
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    sgordon Guest

    I have found the information on the videoguys webpage extremely
    useful on several occasions, even though I've never bought
    anything from them. They have always seemed to me among the
    more benevolent vendors I've run across on the net.

    Scott
     
    sgordon, Aug 23, 2005
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    chebba Guest

    This is a peer to peer user helper group.
    Gary does advertizing on it.
    It's like your friends selling you Mary Kay or plastic containers.
    They either don't get that you aren't overly pleased with them trying
    to sell you stuff or they just don't care.
    We've been through this many times. We say we don't care for it.
    People say that Gary helps many people. Other people say that lots of
    people help many people but don't advertize. I can tell you that
    obviously Gary isn't going to stop. It's part of his marketing
    campaign. It's not personal, it's marketing. This is the wild west
    and he has a sufficiently big gun and just does what he wants.
    Requests:
    Please don't call his marketing something which it is not.
    Go on with your life. Don't obsess about the percieved
    injury.
    If you are upset show it by our choice of vendors.
     
    chebba, Aug 24, 2005
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    Clive Savage Guest

    Heathkit!, now theres a name that brings back memorys!


    Bye for now.

    Clive.
     
    Clive Savage, Aug 27, 2005
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