vignetting plagues the olympus mju-ii (stylus epic)

Discussion in 'Olympus' started by croweflight, Jun 8, 2004.

  1. croweflight

    croweflight Guest

    The only pix that I can see the darker corners appear in wide angle
    shots of sky. And then only in the Sky. Especially clear sky. This
    could be a natural result. The Sky over large areas is just not uniform.
     
    croweflight, Jun 8, 2004
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    Mike Henley Guest

    I guess this camera is legendary for having great optics for a compact
    p&s 35mm. But I have one and i shot a film with it and didn't really
    like the results much for one main reason, vignetting. It's quite
    significant with the mju-ii. It's horrid. If you don't believe me look
    at these images, you can see it even in the thumbnails..

    http://www.trekearth.com/photos.php?offset=3&cat=camera&id=215

    The Minox GT-S i have has no such problem, the corners are as good as
    the center, as far as i can see there's no vignetting whatsoever,
    they're the same size so it's possible for a compact camera to not
    suffer from this problem (see minoxography if you must). Personally, i
    wouldn't be recommnding the mju-ii to anyone on the basis of its
    optics unless they do like this lomo-esque look.

    I'm puzzled that many say it's got a great lens, is vignetting not
    meant to be a bad thing? pesronally i dislike it.
     
    Mike Henley, Jun 9, 2004
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  3. I don't see it in the picture from France, called, "Bela" The corners are
    just as bright as they should be. The sail is a little dark, but the
    darkness starts 1/2 way down the left edge, and is obviously because it's
    curved away from the light, and is in shadow...... It strikes me that if a
    lens vignettes, it would always do so, and not just do it sometimes.........
     
    William Graham, Jun 9, 2004
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    Nick Zentena Guest


    Depends on why it's vignetting. Some lens designs cover more if stopped
    down. BTW which of the photos was supposed to be a problem?

    Nick
     
    Nick Zentena, Jun 9, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    I don't see it in the picture from France, called, "Bela" The corners are
    what about pictures titled (same link in OP's post) "day at the beatch (s)",
    "Crofter's Cottage (6)". On page 4 you can see it in "algeria untitled", "china
    wide open spaces", "france parapante"... and this is only from looking at the
    thumbnails
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 9, 2004
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  6. In "day at the beach", I see it (perhaps) in the darker sky, but the lower
    corners of beach sand, look fine to me.....Does vignetting only show up in
    darker areas? - It could be that it is much harder to see in brightly lit
    areas..... Crofters Cottage too, seems to me to only show darkness in the
    sky....The lower corners look fine to me. Wouldn't vignetting be in all
    corners equally? In "Algeria Untitled", I see it in the upper left corner
    only....The upper right looks fine, and the lower corners are too dark to
    tell...."China Wide Open Spaces" does seem to show it a bit in all four
    corners......I wonder what would make it come and go?
     
    William Graham, Jun 9, 2004
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  7. Go to: http://www.trekearth.com/photos.php?offset=3&cat=camera&id=215

    And look at the sky corners in most of the photos. (there are 6 or 7 pages
    of them) the skies seem darker in the corners, but not on all the
    photos........
     
    William Graham, Jun 9, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    I wonder what would make it come and go?
    Maybe the camera choosing a different lens aperture (it's autoexposure only)?
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 9, 2004
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    Chris B Guest

    Mike,

    Do you own a mju-II? If so, can you post some of your own photographs? What
    I see on that site is a bunch of photos from a variety of photographers who
    list the mju-II as being in their equipment. Certainly, some of those
    photographs show unacceptable levels of vignetting to my eye but I wouldn't
    want to write off a camera on the basis of a few photos which were
    *probably* taken with a certain camera. If you don't own a mju-II, how can
    you possibly evaluate it based on a few pics by some photogs you don't know
    (well, at least, I don't know any of them)?
    That said, P&S cameras are all designed as a compromise of features, size
    and performance. Generally, I feel that when designing a consumer P&S
    camera, companies seem to value lens quality quite low on the list against
    making the camera look good with plenty of features.
    It's a bit harsh to call any camera lomo-esque ;)
    Minox don't aim their cameras at the majority of P&S camera consumers. Most
    people buying a P&S wouldn't look twice at a Minox GT-S. It's expensive,
    kinda 'odd' looking and lacks features. However, I assume you don't mind the
    lack of features or looks, because you're after quality optics in a small
    package over anything else.
    Of course vignetting is a bad thing - but it can be unavoidable when you're
    trying to make a lens do a ton of different things, like work well in low
    light, have a decent zoom range whilst still being small and light...

    Chris.
     
    Chris B, Jun 9, 2004
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    TP Guest


    All compact lenses suffer from *some* vignetting. With the Mju-II
    (Stylus Epic in the USA) vignetting is usually very well controlled.
    I would expect results with the Minox to be similar.

    It looks like these shots were taken with a bad example, one I would
    certainly have returned to the seller. I sold many of the shots I
    took with my Mju-II and would not have used it so extensively if it
    had such a problem.

    The now-discontinued Yashica T5 (T4 Super in the USA), which was
    marketed as a superior p+s camera with a Carl Zeiss lens, had severe
    vignetting, much worse than the Olympus.
     
    TP, Jun 9, 2004
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  11. Actually, that's where you can see it best. It's a spatial frequency
    thing: the visual system just tunes out slow, gradual spatial
    variations.

    <snip>
     
    Stephen H. Westin, Jun 9, 2004
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  12. Most Japanese zoom compacts suffer from this. Get a Leica CM.
     
    Michael Scarpitti, Jun 9, 2004
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  13. The Mju-II (Stylus Epic) is not a zoom compact. Neither is it Japanese.

    OP- I noticed some slightly darkened (say 0.5 EV) edges on chromes taken
    with a Mju II. As for legendary optics... i'd hardly call it legendary! If
    one wishes decently turned-out slides from a cheapo point-and-shoot that
    fits nicely in the pocket, the Mju II is certainly the best option- I don't
    think anyone ever denied there were far more capable compacts out there, the
    Leica and Contax to name just two.

    FWIW, I won't be selling my Mju II- i'll wait for it to break, and buy
    something better if I have the money.
     
    Martin Francis, Jun 9, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    I like the Leica CM, but at a $1000 it's prohibitively expensive.

    It may be true that my Minox GT-S at a recommended price of 499 euros is quite
    pricey, but i got it for far less than that, at just over a £100, and its
    images are free from vignetting or any other problems.

    I'd get the Leica CM is if could find it for no more than $500, but even then
    i'd hesitate.
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 9, 2004
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    : >
    : >Most Japanese zoom compacts suffer from this. Get a Leica CM

    : I like the Leica CM, but at a $1000 it's prohibitively expensive.

    : It may be true that my Minox GT-S at a recommended price of 499 euros is quite
    : pricey, but i got it for far less than that, at just over a ?100, and its
    : images are free from vignetting or any other problems.

    : I'd get the Leica CM is if could find it for no more than $500, but even then
    : i'd hesitate.

    Don't waste your money on leica's. They over priced.
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    Frank Pittel, Jun 10, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    What do you recommend instead?
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 10, 2004
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    : >
    : >Don't waste your money on leica's. They over priced.
    : >--

    : What do you recommend instead?

    For a P&S I would recommend the Yashica T4.

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    Frank Pittel, Jun 10, 2004
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    Sabineellen Guest

    eh, i heard vignetting is bad on that one, even worse than the mju-ii, and so
    it is bad on the T5 too... plus it provides no manual control options over
    exposure or focus...
     
    Sabineellen, Jun 10, 2004
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    Frank Pittel Guest

    : >
    : >For a P&S I would recommend the Yashica T4.
    : >
    : >--

    : eh, i heard vignetting is bad on that one, even worse than the mju-ii, and so
    : it is bad on the T5 too... plus it provides no manual control options over
    : exposure or focus...

    I don't know about the new T4 zoom but I have 2 T4's and there is no problem at all
    with vignetting. I haven't heard of any such problems with the T4 zoom.
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    Frank Pittel, Jun 10, 2004
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    TP Guest


    The Yashica T4. Dontcha just LOVE that vignetting!!!!

    Surely one of the most over-rated p+s cameras of all time,
    all because it had "Carl Zeiss" printed on it.

    ;-)
     
    TP, Jun 10, 2004
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