Virginia Tech Memorial Photos

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Mark², Apr 18, 2007.

  1. Mark²

    Mark² Guest

    Hello to all R.P.D, 35mm, and SLR contributors,

    Everyone has something to say about this tragedy, but eventually, words
    begin to all run together until they lose some of their meaning. Sometimes
    a photo can express a thought or sentiment far more clearly, so this is my
    initial contribution, and I hope you'll share yours (read below):
    http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/77343740/original
    http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/77343743/original
    http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/77343744/original
    http://www.pbase.com/markuson/image/77343746/original

    These will not all be my photos, but photos by others as well. Three of
    these shots were taken by my dad.

    **If you have an appropriate photo you'd like posted here, send a reduced
    version (about 800 pixels in the long dimension or so, about 100-200kb) to
    the e-mail address noted in the gallery description, and I'll do my best to
    post it. Here's another version of my e-mail: mjmorgan(the number TWO)at
    cox.net. :)

    They don't have to be perfect photos, or even close to perfect. -Maybe just
    an you think fits in some way, however minor. Please name the file using
    your first name and I'll leave that under each photo. Or...if you don't
    want your name there, name it something else. Just send something.

    You never know what impact little things may have, so give it a go...
    Take care, and I hope to hear from you.

    -Mark
     
    Mark², Apr 18, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Mark², Apr 18, 2007
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    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Everyone has something to say about this tragedy, but eventually, words
    Just remember folks, the more guns - the safer everyone is. That's why the
    United States is the safest and most secure country in the world today. If I
    had a vote it would be for mandatory arming of all citizens at all times,
    with criminalisation of those who are not packing. I bet the American Rifle
    Association would back this one, they're about as powerful as the Jewish
    lobby so this idea could definitely fly.

    Just think, if every student was packing this massacre would never have
    happened dontcha think? and why o why are there not ammunition dispensing
    machines on campus, they have condom machines don't they? just what the hell
    is wrong with the world today, bullets save lives not just condoms!

    There's only one thing you lot can do at a time like this - buy more guns
    and ammo, it's the only answer. Are you with me Bill ?

    ;-)
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Apr 18, 2007
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  4. Yeah, right....Whenever some maniac shoots somebody, the libs want to come
    to my house and take away my gun(s).....Makes a lot of sense, if you're an
    idiot..........
     
    William Graham, Apr 18, 2007
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  5. Mark²

    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Yeah, right....Whenever some maniac shoots somebody, the libs want to come
    Maybe you can explain, why there is more of this type of gun crime in the
    USA than in the rest of the world combined?
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Apr 18, 2007
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  6. Ok.....I'll play your silly game.
    Sure, we've got lots of guns. They have been legal here for around 400
    years. That's why there is a "lot of gun crime" here.
    But that has nothing to do with an individual's right to defend him/her
    self against personal attack by some stranger, whether that stranger is
    armed with a gun or not.
    If you are a hundred pound woman, or a 70+ year old person, then it
    doesn't matter whether your attacker has a gun or not. You are at the mercy
    of any 20 year old who decides to rape or steal from you. So, our
    forefathers, in their infinite wisdom, decided to give us the right to "keep
    and bear arms", and most of the American population believes that this is a
    good thing.
    If you disagree with this, that's fine. You may come here and choose to
    not keep and bear anything other than your passport. but I choose to keep
    and bear adequate protection against the crazies that exist in the
    population.
    The police can not, and do not protect the people against crime. That is
    not their function. What they can do is investigate crimes after the fact,
    and bring the perpetrators to justice. But the crime has to be committed
    first. If you go to the police and tell them that you believe some crime is
    about to be committed they will sympathize with you, but they will tell you
    that they can do nothing about it.
    If you want to protect yourself from crimes against your person, you
    have to do it yourself, and in a land that is fraught with drug addicts and
    other crazies roaming the streets, this means that you either have to take
    your chances, or you can pack some heat. - I choose to do the latter, and I
    firmly believe that it is a wise thing to allow people to do this.
    If it results in a lot of people being accidentally killed and/or
    injured by accident with the things, well, that is not my concern. No one
    has ever been killed or accidentally injured by any gun I have ever had in
    my possession, and I don't intend to give up my right to protect myself
    because there are some idiots out there who own guns and don't know how to
    use them properly or keep them away from their children, or take proper care
    of them. - I am not an ant in a colony, and I don't intend to live by the
    rules of ants in colonies. I am a human being, and I am not responsible for
    the craziness of other human beings......IOW, your statistics about gun
    accidents and injuries are not my concern.....Maybe it's just the Darwin
    principal doing its job of improving the overall IQ of the
    population.....Frankly, I don't care. I just know that I have carried a gun
    almost all of my adult life, and I have never had to worry about where I
    went, day or night because of it. I can walk into a group of crazies and
    drug addicts and thugs with my head held high, and look them all in the
    eye. - It's called confidence, and my attitude tells them exactly why I
    don't have to worry about them. They melt away before me, and for a good
    reason. This land is my oyster, and I have always had the right to travel it
    from Florida to Washington without fear. I believe that everyone should have
    that right, and furthermore, our constitution guarantees that that right
    (which it assumes exists naturally) will not be abridged. If the people want
    to change that, the document itself gives them a way to do that, but until
    they do, I will carry my gun whenever and wherever I can.
     
    William Graham, Apr 18, 2007
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    Walter Banks Guest

    I don't think it is gun laws or lack of them. Look at some countries that have
    significantly more arms than the US, Switzerland for example. Political
    assassination happens where there are almost no guns, Japan this week.
    There are traditions of violently solving disagreements that would be
    difficult to change in the US.

    And this week a plain nutcase.


    w..
     
    Walter Banks, Apr 18, 2007
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    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    Ok.....I'll play your silly game.
    Guns will not solve the problems of a violent society, only social change
    will.
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Apr 18, 2007
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  9. Mark²

    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    And this week a plain nutcase.

    It's strange your caricature of the assailant, the European media has been
    portraying him as a bullied isolated minority, apparently based on the
    writing in the note he left behind. I suppose the US media will write this
    up as another "bad apple" and continue on business as usual.
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Apr 18, 2007
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  10. It's strange your caricature of the assailant, the European media has been
    portraying him as a bullied isolated minority, apparently based on the
    writing in the note he left behind. I suppose the US media will write this
    up as another "bad apple" and continue on business as usual.
    [/QUOTE]

    Joseph, there will be a lot of misstatements about this tragedy. One of
    them would be that the young man was "a plain nut case." And there is
    no indication, so far, that he is being dismissed as "another 'bad
    apple'" either.

    A minority? Yes, Koreans are a minority here in the U.S., but one that
    is highly respected for their work ethic and focus on educating their
    children.

    Isolated? Yes, but it appears to be self inflicted. People (class
    mates) eventually avoided him because he was unfriendly and
    uncommunicative. Several attempts were made (by Lucinda Roy,
    co-director of the creative writing program) to help him with whatever
    was troubling him, but to no avail. The options for intervention are
    very limited in a situation like this.

    Bullied? There is no objective evidence, that I have seen, that this
    was the case. Subjectively, he probably did feel this way. He needed
    counseling, but it was not to be.

    If either the American or European media try to oversimplify in order to
    satisfy the short attention spans of their audiences, they both will
    have gotten it wrong.

    HFL
     
    Harry Lockwood, Apr 18, 2007
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  11. Mark²

    Joseph Kewfi Guest

    If either the American or European media try to oversimplify in order to
    This is true, but why is it do you think- these things happen so regularly
    in America ?
    It's only been six months since the Amish school shootings. Are attention
    spans / memories that short?
    Also you never mentioned that the assailant, a S.Korean student easily and
    legally obtained the weapons to carry out his attack,
    are you not concerned about this aspect?

    Joseph, there will be a lot of misstatements about this tragedy. One of
    them would be that the young man was "a plain nut case." And there is
    no indication, so far, that he is being dismissed as "another 'bad
    apple'" either.

    A minority? Yes, Koreans are a minority here in the U.S., but one that
    is highly respected for their work ethic and focus on educating their
    children.

    Isolated? Yes, but it appears to be self inflicted. People (class
    mates) eventually avoided him because he was unfriendly and
    uncommunicative. Several attempts were made (by Lucinda Roy,
    co-director of the creative writing program) to help him with whatever
    was troubling him, but to no avail. The options for intervention are
    very limited in a situation like this.

    Bullied? There is no objective evidence, that I have seen, that this
    was the case. Subjectively, he probably did feel this way. He needed
    counseling, but it was not to be.

    If either the American or European media try to oversimplify in order to
    satisfy the short attention spans of their audiences, they both will
    have gotten it wrong.

    HFL
    [/QUOTE]
     
    Joseph Kewfi, Apr 18, 2007
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  12. And here is what the world would be like if liberalism ever succeeds in
    completely dominating our society......
    http://www.aclu.org/pizza/
     
    William Graham, Apr 18, 2007
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  13. What concerns me is the fact that not one of those other students was
    carrying a gun to defend themselves.....In any "normal" society (that hadn't
    been screwed up by liberals) there would have been several other armed
    students, and our crazy guy wouldn't have been able to kill more than one or
    two people without being blown away himself. The same thing applies to those
    poor slobs on the 9/11 flights.....Some reasonable percentage of them should
    have been armed. - The people have no one to blame but themselves....They
    have let the liberal nuts take away their constitutional rights, and now
    they are too stupid to even know where to put the blame for their
    problems........
     
    William Graham, Apr 18, 2007
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  14. Mark²

    Walter Banks Guest

    I thought it was liberals that messed with your money and conservatives with privacy and freedom.


    w..
     
    Walter Banks, Apr 18, 2007
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  15. Read the text of Hillary's health plan and think again. It's the liberals
    that want us to be a colony of ants. They are the socialists. Have you ever
    known a true liberal that owned a share of stock? They believe that if you
    have money, you must have stolen it from somebody, so it's the business of
    the state to steal it back from you and give it to the poor, and it's the
    liberals who will decide who is poor and who is not. They never saw a tax
    they didn't like, or a rich man they didn't hate, or a property owner they
    didn't hate either. Especially one who is a, "landlord". - To a liberal,
    that's the lowest form of life of all....The landlords....If you own enough
    property to rent some of it out to others, then you have to be a
    thief.......
     
    William Graham, Apr 18, 2007
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  16. This is true, but why is it do you think- these things happen so regularly
    in America ?
    It's only been six months since the Amish school shootings. Are attention
    spans / memories that short?
    Also you never mentioned that the assailant, a S.Korean student easily and
    legally obtained the weapons to carry out his attack,
    are you not concerned about this aspect?

    [/QUOTE]

    This is true, but why is it do you think- these things happen so
    regularly
    in America ?
    It's only been six months since the Amish school shootings. Are
    attention
    spans / memories that short?
    Also you never mentioned that the assailant, a S.Korean student easily
    and
    legally obtained the weapons to carry out his attack,
    are you not concerned about this aspect?

    Ah, where to begin.

    And only one year since the Columbine shootings and others in post
    offices and business offices around the country at various times over
    the years. Very sad, indeed.

    I guess one cannot avoid a discussion of the American "gun culture."
    It's part of our history. Order was maintained in the early years of
    the wild west partly by carrying a six shooter. Remnants of that
    mentality remain with us. In addition, the founding fathers wrote the
    second amendment to the constitution (right to bear arms) in very
    ambiguous language. Subsequent rulings by the courts have suggested
    that the intent of the framers was to restrict this right to militias.
    But many individuals, and many states, do not accept that
    interpretation.

    Also, the powerful National Rifle Association puts in its sights any
    lawmaker who would introduce more stringent gun control. Even the very
    liberal Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, the basic law of the land on
    handgun ownership, sticks in their craw. In fact, most states have
    added restrictions to the GCA, some very severe; New York and
    Massachusetts are examples. In contrast, Vermont has no state-imposed
    gun control. A resident (free of felony conviction) can buy a handgun
    at will and he is free to carry it concealed or in the open. Which
    brings us to Virginia and your last question.

    Virginia adds some very weak restrictions to the GCA. A resident may
    purchase a handgun at will but is restricted to "only" one gun purchase
    per month. In addition, the resident can apply for a permit for
    concealed carry and the local authority "must issue" barring a felony
    conviction. Pretty weak indeed.

    The Korean student only had to prove residency to get a gun. That's how
    he purchased the Glock 9 mm; how he obtained the .22 caliber semi auto
    has not been revealed.

    The direct answer to your question is, yes, I am very concerned. Short
    of a change in the constitution (and that ain't gonna happen) we
    definitely need better gun control. I am in favor, at the minimum, of
    registering and tracking the sale of every handgun throughout its
    existence. In my view this would go a long way to solving the illegal
    trafficing of guns in this country. (See william Graham for a
    contrasting opinion.)

    I am also one who is not afraid that black helicopters representing the
    UN-directed New World Order will swoop down and take away our precious
    guns (or, for that matter, our precious bodily fluids.)

    But, in the end, I have no answers.

    HFL
     
    Harry Lockwood, Apr 18, 2007
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  17. This is true, but why is it do you think- these things happen so
    regularly
    in America ?
    It's only been six months since the Amish school shootings. Are
    attention
    spans / memories that short?
    Also you never mentioned that the assailant, a S.Korean student easily
    and
    legally obtained the weapons to carry out his attack,
    are you not concerned about this aspect?

    Ah, where to begin.

    And only one year since the Columbine shootings and others in post
    offices and business offices around the country at various times over
    the years. Very sad, indeed.

    I guess one cannot avoid a discussion of the American "gun culture."
    It's part of our history. Order was maintained in the early years of
    the wild west partly by carrying a six shooter. Remnants of that
    mentality remain with us. In addition, the founding fathers wrote the
    second amendment to the constitution (right to bear arms) in very
    ambiguous language. Subsequent rulings by the courts have suggested
    that the intent of the framers was to restrict this right to militias.
    But many individuals, and many states, do not accept that
    interpretation.[/QUOTE]

    And where is, "A well regulated militia being necessary for the protection
    of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
    infringed" ambiguous? Seems pretty straight foward to me. People are not
    equal to army, and "arms" are weapons that can be carried around on ones
    person. The sentence is straightfoward and very easy to understand, unless
    you are a character from Orwells "1984".
    Now, if you think that the writers of the constitution saddled up their
    horses and rode several hundred miles in order to write that only the army
    could carry guns, or they had a lot of trouble knowing the difference
    between "people" and "soldiers" then I suggest that you are the one with a
    problem, and you should go back to school and study English.......
    If, on the other hand, you don't like the amendment, and wish to change
    it, then the Constitution itself outlines the method by which that may be
    done. It has been done many times in the past, and it can be done again in
    the future. The method works, and is perfectly legal.
     
    William Graham, Apr 19, 2007
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    m II Guest


    Good idea. I hear those Spring Breaks can be pretty dangerous. I
    recommend carrying a dozen beer in the hand opposite the shoulder
    holster. It helps to keep the spine straight.


    http://tinyurl.com/3ab6mo




    mike
     
    m II, Apr 19, 2007
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    m II Guest


    Did we miss something here? The page distinctly says:

    =======================
    The Bush Administration's policies, coupled with invasive new
    technologies, could eliminate your right to privacy completely. Please
    help us protect our privacy rights and prevent the Total Surveillance
    Society.
    =======================


    Is Bush a pawn of the Liberal Hordes?





    mike
     
    m II, Apr 19, 2007
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  20. "And where is, "A well regulated militia being necessary for the
    protection of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear
    arms shall not be infringed" ambiguous?"

    Actually, Sister Mary Margaret would have slapped my wrist with a ruler
    for writing a sentence like that.

    HFL
     
    Harry Lockwood, Apr 19, 2007
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