Vote for Sigma newsgroup to be called

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Sarah Molly, Jun 21, 2005.

  1. Sarah Molly

    Sarah Molly Guest

    I have started the process to call for an official vote for The vote will probably start sometime next
    week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
    proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
    The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.

    Sarah Molly

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    Alan Browne Guest

    I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
    support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>
    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2005
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  3. Sarah Molly

    Pete Fenelon Guest

    From whom? Your other sockpuppets?

    Very much doubt it.

    Pete Fenelon, Jun 21, 2005
  4. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    You seem to believe that he won't cross-post like mad from that
    newsgroup if it passes.

    I have no such belief, and will vote accordingly. (Though I
    guess that I could simply set up my filtering to reject anything
    cross-posted to that newsgroup. :)

    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  5. Sarah Molly

    Alan Browne Guest

    In a nutshel, that's the whole thing.
    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2005
  6. Sarah Molly

    Alan Guest

    Sarah Molly

    Hello Preddy.....
    Alan, Jun 21, 2005
  7. Sarah Molly

    TAFKAB Guest

    This is a great idea, since it will keep imbeciles like Preddy and his
    sockpuppets (you) out of this NG. I'm all for it if you promise to go there
    and never come here again.
    TAFKAB, Jun 21, 2005
  8. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    But given the reactions posted only in news.groups, I think that
    it is highly unlikely that it would pass -- even if every active poster
    and lurker on this newsgroup posted in favor.

    And what about when he pops up (in whichever incarnation or
    cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't ammend the charter
    to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?

    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  9. Sarah Molly

    Alan Browne Guest

    ah hell, you're making me reply seriously:

    There is no need for a .sigma group. If there were genuine Sigma
    posters they would be no less welcome, and they would likely be good
    contributors to the NG's (rpd and rpd.slr-s.)

    Instead, those potential legitimate Sigma posters are drowned out by the
    stupidity of Preddy in all his sock puppeted incarnations; and the
    derision he receives.

    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2005
  10. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Unfortunately. And this means that the camera cannot get
    whatever serious consideration it may deserve. (I've never seen one, so
    I can't judge it -- except by the company which it appears to keep. :)

    For that matter -- if the CFV *passed*, what are the odds that
    the camera would get a fair discussion, even there, given the
    proponents. (At least until they got tired of playing in their own


    P.S. I'm going to modify the subject line to ask a related question,
    but I'll leave it linked to the current thread, as I think that
    it belongs here.
    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  11. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    I've left this linked to the original thread, as I believe that it
    should be.

    I just got an invite to join gmail, from
    "". I wonder how many others in this thread have
    gotten the same.

    Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
    disagrees with him?

    Setting aside for the moment the consideration of whether or not
    I would *want* a gmail account, what are the odds that I would accept an
    invitation from this source? After all, there is guilt by association.

    And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
    I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
    *not* do with gmail.)

    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  12. Sarah Molly

    G.T. Guest

    Not I.
    I guess I don't take his bait often enough.
    It's great for my tech mailing lists. Well over 2 GB of storage right now
    and growing every day, I'm only at 62MB of 2318MB but I can archive a
    helluva lot of messages. OTOH I would never use it for personal email.

    G.T., Jun 21, 2005
  13. If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
    but rather by the likes of others. Guilty by association seem sto be the
    rule. If that's the case then all Canon owners must be rude and insipid
    like Ainsworth or full of misinformation like Scharf, right?
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Jun 21, 2005
  14. Sarah Molly

    Pete Fenelon Guest

    Apropos of this, anyone else getting Gmail invites off "Preddy"?

    Pete Fenelon, Jun 21, 2005
  15. Sarah Molly

    Alan Browne Guest

    not me.
    There is no 'memory' attached to the gmail account you get. Once you
    delete any e-mails in the gmail account related to how you got invited,
    there is no trace of it that anyone outside google mail (and possibly
    not there) that would connect you to Preddy. If it might make you feel
    better, I'll send you a fresh 'untainted' invite...
    A lot of people have 'alternate' accounts at yahoo, hotmail and gmail, I
    certainly do, and I've been using the gmail invite mechanism to send out
    invites to a lot of people, a few of whom are here in the photo NG's.

    Such accounts have bailed me out a few times on the road when I couldn't
    get my laptop to dial in to a network ... pop down to the hotel lobby,
    or into a customers computer and via hotmail/yahoo/gmail access e-mail.

    It seems the longer I'm with gmail, the more "invite opportunities" I
    get to send out to whomever.

    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2005
  16. Sarah Molly

    Alan Browne Guest

    No. Preddy is a pebble who hit sthe same place in the pond, the same
    way, over and over gnerating waves and having mirror (sockpuppets) reply.

    Others are a random selection of manner. And in that you get a spectrum
    of response...

    Alan Browne, Jun 21, 2005
  17. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Thanks, but I probably would not subscribe anyway. Not that I
    would consider your invite "tainted". :) But mostly, I am accustomed to
    being able to block unwanted e-mail, and he has been added to the

    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  18. Sarah Molly

    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Yep -- as I posted in another branch of this thread, renamed to
    reflect the Gmail angle.

    DoN. Nichols, Jun 21, 2005
  19. Sarah Molly

    Frank ess Guest

    If it does pass—and I don't see why it shouldn't, philosophically
    speaking—the only increment in difficulty for the useful and concerned
    citizens of Usenet is that someone will have to ride herd on Mr
    Sigma-millstone in yet another venue. I'm sure someone will, for
    altruistic or other reasons, intervene between his misinformation and
    the wholesale acceptance he hopes for. Thank goodness for do-gooders.
    Frank ess, Jun 21, 2005
  20. Let's call a "Preddy" a Steve Giovanella, as he has a commercial
    photography business, and at some point will not want his shenanigans
    associated therewith. At least, some time ago a convincing case was made
    here, and there's never been a post attributable to Giovanella that
    refutes a word of it. And, for the record, if I am wrong an this is a
    horrible mistake, I'll be quick to apologize.

    As to Sigma posters who are for real, they may be as much pushed away by
    the numb rumblings of those who automatically deride any post with that
    brand name mentioned, as Giovanella, his socks and his imitators
    combined have done.
    John McWilliams, Jun 21, 2005
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