Walk to School Hall of Shame Web Site is Up (was The D-SLR as anIntimidatation Tool to Bad Drivers)

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Steven M. Scharf, Jun 17, 2005.

  1. Since I only started this project a few weeks ago, and school ends
    today, I don't have much up here yet. I'll add more starting in August.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 17, 2005
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    Hannah Guest

    Not that it's in any way relevant to us here in the UK, does this wonderful
    site have such a thing as a URL?
    Hannah.
     
    Hannah, Jun 17, 2005
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    Scharf-DCA Guest

    Scharf-DCA, Jun 17, 2005
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  4. Nice idea mate!

    The only -ve thing is that the images are chuffing massive!! I'm on a
    2.2Mbps connection and they still take ages to appear...

    I'm glad you provoked a response from an idiot driver too!

    Craig.
     
    Craig Marston, Jun 17, 2005
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Might I suggest a polarizing filter, so the driver is easier to
    see through the window reflections? That might have more impact.

    Good Luck,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Jun 17, 2005
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  6. Sorry, I corrected this. I decreased the size and quality of the JPEGs,
    and cropped them.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 17, 2005
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    Canongirly Guest

    Dontcha just love these dozy stupid wimmin and their pig ignorant drivin?

    Great site...next time some dozy bint stops you and hassles you about taking
    her picture tell her it could be worse you could be photographing her
    driving over a 7 yo corpse or shooting her with a .357
     
    Canongirly, Jun 17, 2005
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    Colin D Guest

    I hope your site doesn't get you sued, or anything, but good on you for
    taking a stand.

    One point about the pictures strikes me, though, and that's the
    placement of the crosswalk, dead in line with the approaching
    sidewalks. This configuration has some inherent problems, like not
    really giving enough room for vehicles to complete the turn before being
    confronted with the crossing. Immediately prior, their minds are not on
    the crosswalk, they are still evaluating the main road traffic as they
    make the turn, and if they do stop before the crossing, their tail is
    sticking out into the traffic stream. I can see drivers would want to
    get their vehicle around the corner before they stop, and then they are
    over the crossing.

    Likewise, cars emerging from the side street cannot properly get a view
    of the main road without stopping partly on the crossing.

    The real problem here is the crosswalk placement. It should be at least
    a vehicle length or more from the corner, which would remove the above
    problems. Here in New Zealand, they tend to do this, with the crossings
    placed about 5 to 10 metres from the corner - except with
    lights-controlled crossings/intersections, where the crossings are in
    line with the sidewalks. The law also says that you must use a
    crosswalk if you are within 50 ft /15 metres of a marked crosswalk, and
    if you just bowl across the corner, you can be ticketed for jaywalking.

    Perhaps you could give this a bit of thought, and over the holidays, get
    the city officials to move the crossing. Sell the idea as a trial, or
    something.

    Colin
     
    Colin D, Jun 18, 2005
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    Jer Guest


    I'll bet not many blind pedestrians would support this idea.
     
    Jer, Jun 18, 2005
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  10. Since I only started this project a few weeks ago, and school ends today,
    4 or 5 years ago I put up this page- www.ChainReaction.com/schools.htm, in
    response to the total mayhem at our nearby elementary school. Our schools
    are becoming transit stations, with lunatics everywhere! I agree, great
    places to get photos of people doing stupid things. Too bad you didn't post
    before the end of the school year, as it would have given me a fun project
    for my new toy (Rebel XT with 17-85).

    --Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
    www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
     
    Mike Jacoubowsky, Jun 18, 2005
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    Colin D Guest

    Blind people would get used to it very quickly, as they do with all
    routes they learn, and I bet they would appreciate the safer setup as
    well.

    Colin
     
    Colin D, Jun 18, 2005
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  12. I checked with the police (my neighbor who is a detective with a local
    police department), and he assured me that there is no law against
    photographing vehicles (or people) in public. Of course this doesn't
    stop someone from trying to sue me!
    I agree with you, the worst possible place for crosswalks (or for
    crossing a street without crosswalks) is right at an intersection.
    You're dealing with traffic from 3 to 4 sources, often where you can't
    see them coming, and you are not in the vehicles field of view, unless
    they are a good driver that looks all around for pedestrians, bicycles, etc.

    Alas, not many public works people understand this, so crosswalks
    continue to be placed at intersections.
    This is true. But the issue with crosswalks at corners is such that the
    vehicles need to stop before the crosswalk if there is a pedestrian, and
    again at the point where they can see other traffic, once they get to
    the stop sign. I have no issue with vehicles that block the crosswalk in
    this manner, as long as they do it when there are no pedestrians
    entering the crosswalk.
    I may do this. There is a much better place for a crossing down the
    block, immediately across from the school. But pedestrian safety is a
    non-issue in the city where I live, as I point out on my web site, so I
    am not optimistic. Ironically, people that try to cross at the safer
    location are harassed by the cops, even though it is technically not
    illegal to cross there, since it is far from the marked crosswalk, and
    not between two controlled intersections.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 18, 2005
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    Rudy Benner Guest

    Chances are, these motorists travel this same route everyday and are
    familiar with the placement of this crosswalk.
     
    Rudy Benner, Jun 18, 2005
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  14. Rudy Benner wrote:

    This is true, it's the same vehicles every day. I even have learned to
    recognize the worst of the worst in terms of speeding and crosswalk
    violations. The crosswalks around the schools are very well marked, with
    many signs, including one placed in the middle of the crosswalk. There
    really is no excuse for the behavior of these motorists.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 18, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Photographing people in public is not illegal. Publishing likenesses of
    people without their permission often is. The exceptions are people
    attending public events and who are part of a crowd, people who look at
    the camera in a way that is clearly cooperative, celebrities, and other
    cases.

    Here, publishing a photo of a person in their car would be construed
    invasion of privacy and use of somebody's likeness without their
    permsission. Likewise, best to obscure licence plates.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jun 18, 2005
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    Drifter Guest

    Looked at your site and noted the things you've tried to get the
    problem addressed. You missed a good one though... Contact your local
    news agencies and ask them to come out and do a report.

    That one ALWAYS gets some attention.
    Drifter
    "I've been here, I've been there..."
     
    Drifter, Jun 18, 2005
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    Jer Guest

    I think the idea was to offer a crossing location that could benefit
    from the existing traffic controls, and where traffic is either stopped
    completely, or expected to be moving at a slow pace. Like you, I've
    sometimes thought that some intersections are so busy that task loading
    for drivers and pedestrians is daunting. But that's not to say there
    aren't crossings in mid-block, I've seen a few, but often it's something
    else nearby that warrants the exception.
    Do it. The media exposure to your issue alone is worth a life. One
    sure way to guarantee media exposure is *not* obscure the license plates
    of vehicles - let the complaints roll - this sort of shameful behavior
    begs for public attention.
     
    Jer, Jun 18, 2005
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  18. Thanks, I'll obscure both faces and license plates.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 18, 2005
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    Frank ess Guest

    There are cases, IIRC, that involve images made in public places that
    were published with intent to defame, degrade, or denigrate the
    subject. I agree that reprehensible conduct in public should be
    exposed and notorized, but since many jurisdictions are making
    decisions "for this case only", the cost of the judicial process
    necessary to determine if a subject has been injured may be
    prohibitive.

    I'd be tempted to let a local "investigative journalist" and employer
    assume that risk.
     
    Frank ess, Jun 18, 2005
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  20. In many cases that is probably true, but that intersection has no
    traffic controls at all, no stop sign or yield sign on any of the three
    ways. The city hates putting up stop signs. I was surprised at the
    number of uncontrolled T intersections, usually you get at least a yield
    sign. Legally, uncontrolled intersections are regarded as an all-ways
    stop, but no one ever stops at this one.
     
    Steven M. Scharf, Jun 18, 2005
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