Want resolution? Nikon D200. Want dynamic range? A D50!!!!

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Rich, Mar 10, 2006.

  1. Rich

    Rich Guest

    According to one review in a Brit mag called, "Digital Camera."
    The pixel density of the D200 (in addition to putting it well behind
    the Canon 5D in terms of image quality) means it doesn't have
    the dynamic range of the lowly D50! Part of the gains it has
    in-terms of resoution (10M versus 6M for the D50) are lost
    due to the dynamic range compression!
    I guess you can't change the laws of physics, even with a beautiful
    magnesium weather-sealed body.
    -Rich
     
    Rich, Mar 10, 2006
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    D-Mac Guest

    Or the $2000 price difference of a 5D.
     
    D-Mac, Mar 10, 2006
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    JPS Guest

    In message <l55Qf.2161$>,
    What kind of $? In the US, the 5D is only $1K more than the D200.
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    JPS, Mar 10, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    So only people in the US can buy them? Expand your universe, only 6% of the
    worlds population lives in the USA.
     
    Pete D, Mar 10, 2006
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  5. Rich

    Skip M Guest

    http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com
    That was probably why JP was asking what kind of dollars. Aussie dollars
    are smaller than American dollars, which would account for a larger
    difference in price, I guess. Actually the price difference in the US is
    more like $1200-1400, but, hey, who's counting...
     
    Skip M, Mar 10, 2006
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  6. Rich

    Pete D Guest

    Yeah I did know that of course and of course everyone should know that
    Douglas lives in Australia, mind you it is a bit hard to keep up with his
    hundred aliases.
     
    Pete D, Mar 10, 2006
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  7. Want noise at High ISO's? Get a Nikon.


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    "A combat photographer should be able to make you see the
    color of blood in black and white"


    David Douglas Duncan
    Speaking on why in Vietnam
    he worked only in black and white
    http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/exhibitions/online/ddd/
     
    John A. Stovall, Mar 10, 2006
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  8. Only? The D200 body sells for less than $2000. That is more than a 50%
    premium. Nothing only about it.
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Mar 10, 2006
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  9. Rich

    JPS Guest

    In message
    You are a jerk. Why do you think I *ASKED* "What kind of $"?

    PRECISELY because I am aware that the US is not the world, and I was
    bring to the OP's attention the fact that his country is not the world.

    What is your problem?
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    JPS, Mar 10, 2006
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  10. Rich

    JPS Guest

    In message <44118149$0$79517$>,
    Is there a general problem with reading comprehension in this thread?
    One person said $2000, not stating the currency, and said that in one
    currency, it is "only" $1K more (i.e., much less than $2000).

    No opinions at all on my part about pricing. I think they all cost way
    too much.
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    JPS, Mar 10, 2006
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  11. Rich

    Skip M Guest

    The last time I commented on the difficulty of keeping track of Douglas, he
    unleashed an unwarranted personal attack on me. I wonder what he'll do this
    time.
    So far, he's appeared as Douglas, Ryadia, go go dancer, Tropical Treat (my
    personal favorite), wraped (sic) in canvas, D-Mac, Technical Aussie, and at
    least two more that I've forgotten.
     
    Skip M, Mar 10, 2006
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    tomm42 Guest

    I've used the D50, and bought the D200, the image quality on the D200
    very good, WB is great, flesh tone are excellent, but what sold the
    camera to me is the viewfinder, bright and accurate, one of the big
    letdowns on the N80 based cameras, even the Fujis is the viewfinder is
    very inaccurate as to placing the subject. Not to bad for regular
    photos but I'm working with macro and the N80 based cameras just don't
    hack it. The D50 and D70 both have mirror, not prism viewfiders so
    they are very dim, again something you don't want with macro. Thought
    the D20 (D30) was OK but the D200 felt like the film cameras I'm used
    to Leica, Canon F1 and Nikon F3 (by far the best viewfinder ever). So
    for what a Canon 5D would cost I have a Nikon D200, 24mm f2, 70-210 f4
    (not the 4.5-5.6) via ebay, and a Tokina 12-24, and a 50mm Sigma macro
    (yes would prefer a Nikon but 60mm is just too close to the 70mm) I
    also photograph art work so a shorter lens is more advantageous.
    Also brought the D200 into the clinic where I work, did a couple of
    patients, so much better than the Fuji S2 I'm used to, image
    placementwise and tonality, the added brightness of the viewfinder made
    hand held 1:1 images much easier.

    Tom
     
    tomm42, Mar 10, 2006
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    Tony Polson Guest


    "Maddy" was the best.

    ;-)
     
    Tony Polson, Mar 10, 2006
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Is that just theoretical or they did some kind of real world comparison?
    It seems they have broken the laws of physics if it has twice the pixels
    at the same size & (nearly) the same dynamic range. The D200 is supposed
    to have about the same dynamic range as a D70 and yes the D50 is a tad
    better. It depends what you are measuring exactly and that doesn't
    necessarily translate into real world usefulness:
    http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/S3/S3PIMATEST.HTM
    scroll down about half way...
    Dynamic Range (in f-stops) vs Image Quality
    (At camera's minimum ISO)
    Model 1.0 (Low) 0.5(Medium) 0.25(Med-High) 0.1(High)
    Fujifilm S3 (RAW)12.1 11.7 10.7 9.0
    Fujifilm S3 Pro -- 9.9 9.4 7.94
    Nikon D50 10.7 9.93 8.70 7.36
    Canon EOS 20D 10.3 9.66 8.85 7.29
    Canon Rebel XT 10.3 9.51 8.61 7.11
    Olympus EVOLT 10.8 9.26 8.48 7.07
    Canon Rebel 10.1 9.11 8.47 6.97
    Pentax *istDs 10.2 10 8.87 6.9
    Nikon D2x -- 8.93 7.75 6.43
    Nikon D70S 9.84 8.69 7.46 5.85
    Nikon D70 9.81 8.76 7.58 5.84
     
    Paul Furman, Mar 10, 2006
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    cjcampbell Guest

    Gosh. And here Phil Askew on DPReview was saying that picture quality
    was better than the 5D.

    And even the most diehard "laws of physics" guys here are saying that
    there is still room for the number of pixels to be doubled or even
    quadrupled before the quantum limits of gathering photons are reached.

    Given that "Digital Camera's" review represents a minority of one out
    of all the reviews so far published about the D200, I guess it says
    more about "Digital Camera" than it does about the D200.

    Perhaps the reason you don't have a camera, Rich, is that none of them
    are perfect enough for you.
     
    cjcampbell, Mar 11, 2006
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    Pete D Guest

    Actually John I had been going to apologise but then I reread your post, you
    should have known the poster was Douglas and it appears that your treat the
    rest of the world just like he does, as though they are idiots so I am not
    going to apologise.

    Cheers.
     
    Pete D, Mar 11, 2006
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  17. Offtopic.

    But it's a silly thread anyway. Nitpicking about resolution and
    dynamic range at these levels is of little point - if people are fussed
    they will read the reviews for themselves, without Rich having to
    repost information (or non-information in many cases) simply to get his
    numbers up.
    Actually, it's getting close to 50 identities now - you really should
    check *everyone* you are talking to, he could be anywhere, as...(deep
    breath):

    ryadia, technoaussie, auspics, big guy, ormiston, sebastian po, doug,
    douglas, douglas macdonald, stool pigeon, duncan donald, an interested
    bystander, one million pics, one million pictures, alan jones,
    alienjones, alienjones himself, alvie, the yowie, bigpix, pix on
    canvas, the administrator, pixby, henretta, joe bailey, graham hunt,
    healthypcs, random user 12987, MoioM, go go dancer, maddy, huey fong,
    wilder and wilder, tekoaussie, justintyme, snaps, kakadu, HPC, deciple
    of EOS, child of EOS, call me any name, keep_it_simple, notsimple,
    not_just_Simple, tropical treat, d-mac, wraped in canvas...

    He's giving me much to consider as I do my psych degree.... I
    particularly like the misspellings - the 'raped in canvas' one is quite
    apt, having seen his prints..

    But he doesn't think he has a problem... (O: Just call him Sybil. Or
    maybe Sybil³...

    (By the way, I don't think Douglas' 'justintyme' is related to a Justin
    Thyme character I have seen around the groups..)
     
    mark.thomas.7, Mar 11, 2006
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  18. Rich

    Skip M Guest

    Phil didn't say the image quality of the D200 was better than the Canon 5D,
    he said the build quality was better, to wit:
    " Which brings us to the competition, from a build/features point of view
    it's clearly ahead of the Canon EOS 20D/30D and in my opinion a step above
    the EOS 5D, a baby D2X."
    Quite the opposite, there has been speculation that the limit, if not
    already reached, is definitely on the horizon.
     
    Skip M, Mar 11, 2006
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    Matt Clara Guest

    Oh? How many of the remaining 94% are in the market for a $1600 dslr?
     
    Matt Clara, Mar 12, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    Consider your paranoid belief that I'm many different people. And
    consider you simpleton's
    belief that resolution and dynamic range questions are nitpicking.
     
    RichA, Mar 12, 2006
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